Are Standing Arm Break Unsportsmanlike in MMA?

[Headhunter]

I don't condone the the extra shots post KO, but sometimes the ref isn't able to get between the fighters in time.

That's not the issue the issue is the fighters shouldn't be throwing those extra shots at all. When you knock a guy out you know he's out. Look at mark hunt he never follows up. Look at rich Franklin vs Nate quarry never followed up because it was obvious. I believe if you ko a guy and continue to punch you should be disqualified because that's what turns it from a sport into a thugs game

 

[drop bear]

I'd have to change cars to drive safely with one arm, otherwise it'd mean taking my hand off the steering wheel to change gear...

Never owned a slush box.

You just cant turn corners and change gears.

 

[drop bear]

 

[Tez3]

I'd have to change cars to drive safely with one arm, otherwise it'd mean taking my hand off the steering wheel to change gear...

Never owned a slush box.

Absolutely, very difficult here to drive safely with one arm, very few people have automatic cars here, most have gear sticks. You need to change gear more times than just going around a corner.

That was the angle I was coming from. Full contact shots(punches, elbows, kicks, knees) to the head or body can result in concussions, ruptured internal organs or even broken bones. However, arm breaks are considered too extreme?

From your earlier post you said the arm break was a deliberate move intended to break bones and the other fighter wasn't given the opportunity to tap. The other shots can as you say cause those injuries but they aren't deliberately targeted to do that unlike the arm break. You don't punch someone in the head and think, 'there, that will give him concussion' or elbow him in the stomach thinking that should rupture an organ or two, lets see how much damage I can really inflict in this competition.

I don’t think a legal technique is unsportsmanlike, and the easy way to avoid a broken arm is to defend it correctly or submit.

If the opponent is given the chance to defend or submit, the OP said he wasn't, it was a deliberate move intended to break the arm so going on that it was unsportsmanlike.

 

[Headhunter]

That guys the biggest scumbag in the whole sport

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf]

The issue to me is deliberate damage versus 'occupational' damage. i've never had an official match, so take this with a grain of salt. But if I was fighting someone and they were punching my head, and I took severe damage from that, I wouldn't blame them since they wouldn't know they were causing that. As far as they were concerned it was a normal fight. However, if I was fighting and they broke my arm, they made an active decision to do so, knowing the damage it could cause me (as an average person, not a pro mma/ufc fighter. The rules may change for them).

Intent matters to me for sportsmanship a lot more than result does.

 

[jobo]

If I break an arm it's unsportsmanlike, but if I break a nose or shatter a jaw or cause a spleen to rupture it's a good punch?

Well yes it's intent that matters, your not I hope trying to cause brain damage or rupture a spleen, you are setting out to deliberately break an arm,

The problem is with mma, contests should be stopped if it's an obvious miss match, which seems like a lot of them from the little I've seen in telly at least they should be stopped at the first sign of distress, blurred eyes loss of balance serious blood injurt , co ordination, taking undefended blows, much as they ( should ) do with boxing.

Saying an arm break is ok, because the rest of the rule set is bordering on the barbaric is faulty logic to my mind

 

[jobo]

I don't condone the the extra shots post KO, but sometimes the ref isn't able to get between the fighters in time.

GI've the ref, a whistle,or if that's not enough volume a air horn any punch after that should instant disqualification.

How out of it do you have to be to need a ref, to tell you that your punching an unconscious opponent

 

[Dirty Dog]

I'd have to change cars to drive safely with one arm, otherwise it'd mean taking my hand off the steering wheel to change gear...

Never owned a slush box.

My car has a 6-speed manual. I still managed. Casting a broken arm does not prevent use of the fingers. Yes, your grip is different, but it's still usable.

 

[jobo]

My car has a 6-speed manual. I still managed. Casting a broken arm does not prevent use of the fingers. Yes, your grip is different, but it's still usable.

It's rAther difficult if it's in a sling, which is where it should be, if you want good efficient healing .

My friend used to drive a manual car with one leg it's possible but not really a good idea all round

 

[pdg]

My car has a 6-speed manual. I still managed. Casting a broken arm does not prevent use of the fingers. Yes, your grip is different, but it's still usable.

Then by definition you had two arms available, not one.

Driving with one arm implies that no second arm is available in any capacity - it's either absent or completely immobilised.

When you said:

If you can't drive with one arm, there's something wrong with you other than the arm...

I naturally assumed you actually meant one arm, not one normal arm and one in a heavy sleeve.

 

[Steve]

Absolutely, very difficult here to drive safely with one arm, very few people have automatic cars here, most have gear sticks. You need to change gear more times than just going around a corner.

I’m getting conservative in my old age. Still drive a stick shift, but I don’t know how I drove my ‘67 beetle while drinking coffee and smoking a cigarette with no cup holders.

From your earlier post you said the arm break was a deliberate move intended to break bones and the other fighter wasn't given the opportunity to tap. The other shots can as you say cause those injuries but they aren't deliberately targeted to do that unlike the arm break. You don't punch someone in the head and think, 'there, that will give him concussion' or elbow him in the stomach thinking that should rupture an organ or two, lets see how much damage I can really inflict in this competition.

If the opponent is given the chance to defend or submit, the OP said he wasn't, it was a deliberate move intended to break the arm so going on that it was unsportsmanlike.

i see your point. My opinion is I don’t see a meaningful difference between this and any other technique. What I mean is, a punch is thrown with intention to harm, armbars, head kicks, liver shots. They’re all thrown hard and fast, and with the intention to end a fight. And, the fight ends with a KO, a submission, an injury, or the it doesn’t end as the technique is defended.

 

[Steve]

Never been to England or driven a righthand drive car. In a manual transmission, is the shifter on the left? And are the pedals reversed?

 

[pdg]

Never been to England or driven a righthand drive car. In a manual transmission, is the shifter on the left? And are the pedals reversed?

Gearstick is (usually) operated by the left hand, the most common place for it to live is kind of between the front seats.

Exactly where it lives in a left hand drive car in fact (unless column shift).

Pedals in the same order, accelerator on the right, brake in the middle, clutch on the left.

I've driven (and owned) both left and right hand drive cars, and driven both types on both sides of the road.

Personal preference - right hand drive. That way, the steering is under the influence of my dominant hand even when changing gear (or doing handbrake turns and stuff )

 

[Steve]

Gearstick is (usually) operated by the left hand, the most common place for it to live is kind of between the front seats.

Exactly where it lives in a left hand drive car in fact (unless column shift).

Pedals in the same order, accelerator on the right, brake in the middle, clutch on the left.

I've driven (and owned) both left and right hand drive cars, and driven both types on both sides of the road.

Personal preference - right hand drive. That way, the steering is under the influence of my dominant hand even when changing gear (or doing handbrake turns and stuff )

I’ll have to give a righthand drive a go sometime. Not sure how difficult it would be to shift with my left hand.

 

[Dirty Dog]

It's rAther difficult if it's in a sling, which is where it should be, if you want good efficient healing .

Really? You want to argue medicine with me?

 

[Dirty Dog]

Then by definition you had two arms available, not one.

Driving with one arm implies that no second arm is available in any capacity - it's either absent or completely immobilised.

I naturally assumed you actually meant one arm, not one normal arm and one in a heavy sleeve.

OK, I'll rephrase. If you can't drive with one arm in a cast[...]
The implication through the entire post is that having a broken arm does not, except in a few cases, mean you cannot use it.
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough for you.

 

[pdg]

I’ll have to give a righthand drive a go sometime. Not sure how difficult it would be to shift with my left hand.

The action of changing gear is no more or less complex or difficult with either hand.

The single most challenging part is remembering which hand to use...

When I lived in France (drive on the right hand side of the road) I had my right hand drive UK van and a left hand drive french car. Which one got used depended on purpose of journey (or my mood).

You get used to it

 

[pdg]

OK, I'll rephrase. If you can't drive with one arm in a cast[...]
The implication through the entire post is that having a broken arm does not, except in a few cases, mean you cannot use it.
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough for you.

I accept your revised scenario

 

[Steve]

The action of changing gear is no more or less complex or difficult with either hand.

The single most challenging part is remembering which hand to use...

When I lived in France (drive on the right hand side of the road) I had my right hand drive UK van and a left hand drive french car. Which one got used depended on purpose of journey (or my mood).

You get used to it

Yeah, I expect it’s all the same except the hand used. I’m very right hand dominant, and I’ve been driving a stick shift for over 30 years. The muscle memory is pretty well ingrained. Thanks for the insight!