DanT
2nd Black Belt
This is incorrect. All KOs from a hit to the head resulting in a temporary loss of consciousness are caused by a concussion.
Anatomy and KOs
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CB Jones
Senior Master
You can also be concussed without being KO'd. Grade 1 concussions do not require unconsciousness.
DanT
2nd Black Belt
Yes, and grade 1 concussions happen frequently during fights. Grade 2 and 3 are your KOs.
I know this stuff as I'm studying to become a PT and a concussion specialist. If you guys have any questions you can ask.
JR 137
Grandmaster
Any time someone is hit in the head and a loss of consciousness results, it is technically a concussion. Doesn't matter if they're out for a second or an hour. Symptoms can go away quickly, or they can linger on for quite some time. It's still a concussion, according to neurologists.
Even "getting your bell rung" for a second or two is technically a concussion.
There are grades (or severity) of concussions. The trend here has gone to grades 1, 2, and 3. 1 meaning minor and resolving itself within a short time, like a half hour or so. 2 meaning anything beyond that, including coma, grade 3 being death.
I liked the Glasgow and Colorado scales, where there were graded on scales going to 10 or higher, but 1-3 simplified it. Glasgow and Colorado were phased out shortly after I received my bachelors degree in sports medicine. I graduated in 2001, so around 2003 or so?
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Brownielox
Yellow Belt
Thanks! I'm studying kinesiology right now and hoping to be a PT too.
This is all so cool to learn about!! I might sound like a horrible person, but I wanna learn how to take someone out like this. It just screams badass!
Most of us pretend to be more mature than that. Most of us aren't. Sometimes, we just want to learn something that seems at least a little badass.
Check this out:
The Science of a Boxing Knockout
I think there are other types of "shutdowns" built intot he body which can cause unconsciousness and/or body shutdown. Liver shots do the body shutdown thing. I caught a guy with a spinning back kick once during an aggressive sparring class and he went straight down, couldn't move anything and was just staring forward... but he was breathing fine. He was down for maybe 10, 15 seconds then started to move around as his systems came back online. First time I'd ever experienced that, but it IS a thing. Can't be explained witht he explanation given thru the above link.
The Science of a Boxing Knockout
I think there are other types of "shutdowns" built intot he body which can cause unconsciousness and/or body shutdown. Liver shots do the body shutdown thing. I caught a guy with a spinning back kick once during an aggressive sparring class and he went straight down, couldn't move anything and was just staring forward... but he was breathing fine. He was down for maybe 10, 15 seconds then started to move around as his systems came back online. First time I'd ever experienced that, but it IS a thing. Can't be explained witht he explanation given thru the above link.
marques
Master Black Belt
It can also be won by decision or ending in a draw (which is rare). Can also be Technical KO, when the fighter is clearly conscious but unable to defend himself.
How does it happens... I think over here we know better what it is a 'practical sense' than the physiological processes.
Anyway, it is a really interesting topic. Thanks for starting it.
I've seen a fight ended with corners throwing in the towel. There's no governing body here and while most promotions will use the 'UFC' rules and variations of, some will allow the towel throwing to end the fight. Some refs would throw the towel back out and carry on though! Most bizarre fight ending I've seen was one fighter throwing a couple of punches then getting out of the ring and walking away, though at least he started the fight, another I saw walked in, went to his corner, got up and walked back out.
That is certainly what it looked like. We were all really worried about the guy, I thought I'd hurt him bad, like maybe I broke some ribs or something. He ended up with a bit of a bruise, but that was it. He told us later that he really could see or hear much... or at least couldn't do anything with what he was seeing and hearing... and then everything sort of returned to focus ina rush. He did Not care for it.
Here's a decent article about how a liver shot causes a KO.
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Brownielox
Yellow Belt
It can also be won by decision or ending in a draw (which is rare). Can also be Technical KO, when the fighter is clearly conscious but unable to defend himself.
How does it happens... I think over here we know better what it is a 'practical sense' than the physiological processes.
Nah, thank all y'all for responding. I really didn't expect this post to blow up like it did. I woke up to like 6 notifications...like on Facebook or something. Knocking people out, as bad as it sounds, has always really interested me ever since it happened to me a few years ago. It honestly inspired me to learn more about our bodies and our limits, hence why I'd like to be a PT
That sounds pretty scary, tbh. Is striking more likely to cause long-term damage or grappling?? I like grappling better, I'm waaaayyyy better with my groundwork. My strikes, as you can see in my kickboxing, is pretty atrocious
The thing about a liver shot is that requires only a small force to be effective. I always think when people are ranting about the eponymous eye gouge and the 'notorious' groin shot they really should experience a liver shot to see how much it disables an attacker.
Agreed. I teach eye gouges and groin shots in appropriate situations, just like liver shots, face shots, etc. Livers are as easy to hit as groins in many situations, easier in some (certainly with hands), and less often reflexively protected.
JR 137
Grandmaster
Good question. Speculating, as I'm not an MMA guy, but have plenty of wrestling experience...
The liver is in the front, not so much the side, so it may be a harder target to hit with knees from side control.
In side control or just about any other ground position), you want to keep maximum body contact to control your opponent and also not give him an escape. You've got to give some of that up to swing a knee shot.
The mechanics of striking with a knee while on the ground don't allow it to be as strong as it would on your feet/in a clinch.
Perhaps I'm off here. I'd have to try striking while on the ground to get a better understanding.
That's pretty much it. In order to get the right angle for a knee to the liver of an opponent under side mount, you'd be giving up a lot of control and would likely lose the position.
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Brownielox
Yellow Belt
Oh so you're a wrestler? You mind if I ask you some questions?
JR 137
Grandmaster
I don't wrestle any more. I haven't coached it in a few years too, but by all means, ask away.
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