Looks like tired yeti is also stupid yeti. I've never trained in kenpo but doing those techniques is no different to doing combos on the pads. I can practice a combo 100 times but In a fight I may only need 1 move of that combo and that add another completely different move that's the same as any other martial art you do drills to build up skills and muscle memory of different moves so you can put them altogether
Mr. Parker got burned by the Tracy brothers and hid much of the knowledge, martial arts are or were generally secretive regardless. There are sequential movements learned and once you can do them well they can be intertwined almost infinitely. It is at its simplest form the study of motion and if you can't figure it out or can't get the proper guidance then either your not paying attention or your instructor doesn't know what he's doing either.
Would tend to agree, but nothing is hidden. You can see the difference between the kenpos with your own eyes.
I dont quite understand what you mean by nothing is hidden. There is plenty that the Tracy's are missing as far as understanding of the system although the clues to properly appling what you've learned lye in the combination of ideal phase techniques, free style techniques, spontaneous and forms which was more to the point for his statement of an inability to effectively use Kenpo in a fight. And I suppose that information is kinda hidden in plain sight which is why one has to have a clear understanding of the system. People often have the misconception that all the answers are in the ideal phase techniques when you need all four parts to get a whole.Would tend to agree, but nothing is hidden. You can see the difference between the kenpos with your own eyes.
Do you know this from experience, or is this something your instructor told you?
I was not exactly told this info, I did ask my instructor ( who knew Mr. Parker personally and all the rest of the guys floating around in the 80's and 90's until Parkers death) about them and after hearing his response I took it upon myself to learn more about what was going on with these guys. I have seen for myself what the Tracy's and their students are doing and there are many gaps in their knowledge of the system. American Kenpo is a progressive system and should incorporate any new ...valid ideas that follow the Kenpo rules. It has been changed a few times since Mr. Parker started teaching and that's the way he wanted it. His vision was to create something that people could themselves learn to create with. All that said, watch any material where the Tracy's ( and I keep saying. Tracy's but if I'm not mistaken I think Al is the only one still involved) are teaching or demonstrating and you can simply tell their understanding by listening to what they have to say. Ask them questions about why your doing or what your doing and how it fits with everything else you learn and you should easily be able to separate the BS. Unless ofcourse they know more than you in which case they would appear to have all the answers. They sure do have a load of **** on their web page as well bashing Parker and surprisingly just making stuff up to justify "Tracy Kenpo"
The part that I quoted, in my reply.
In addition , I can see where you're going with that. One should not just regurgitate information. This is my opinion that I came to my own conclusion about. In a more to the point example we recently had some Tracy black belts come work out with us and they themselves were surprised at the lack of info they had by their own comparison. I by no means know everything and in fact am far from it but by looking at what I know vs what they know it's pretty clear.
Fair enough. And for the record, I am an EX-Tracy guy, meaning I came to the conclusion that it is not a good method for me, personally, even tho a lot of others feel it's pretty great. So I do not train in it anymore.
Can't argue with that. It is a personal decision and to each his own. I was only attempting but maybe failed to explain why the original poster couldn't make Kenpo affective. In actuality once you learn the rules of Kenpo you don't necessarily have to do it anymore. Students should be encouraged to create their own stuff and some of those students may find that what they create looks nothing like Kenpo and that's ok. The way Mr. Parker laid everything out is basically how he created the system (if you believe he created it of course). Kenpo is very structured and the OCD in me likes that. Therefore you could create your own system tailored specifically to you. Personally I really like Russian Systema as well, which in many ways is opposite of Kenpo but oddly blends quite nicely, they break a lot of Kenpo rules so I make the necessary adjustments to make them fit. It really doesn't matter what style you do as long as your good at fighting which is the goal. It is at its simplist form the study of motion. With that said, do whatever you like. I am not here to force anything on anyone, only to clarify the common misconceptions of my art.
Truth!
It depends on the tuition tier. Some secret lessons cost more than others.
Nice try buddy! It's a secret.
