American Doomsday: Climate Change?
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You see Bill, I don't have a side. I am quite prepared to look at the evidence and make up my mind one way or the other. I would love for you to be right because the future would not face the risk of global warming. But your ranting flies in the face of most evidence. You shamelessly shoot the messenger when you don't have evidence as Gran pointed out. But at least you are honest enough to admit that you have chosen sides, albeit the side of the extreme right.
But when it comes to a position you are all over the shop when it suits you. You agree with articles with conflicting points of view. To discredit the IPCC you paise people who dissent from the IPCC base position even though these guys admit that global temperatures are rising and that human greenhouse emissions are at least partially responsible. Then in the next breath you tell us that we don't have warming at all.
Whether a scientific journal publishes someone's paper depends on the editorial policy of that paper. If you were to send one of your rants into the 'Democrat Weekly' I would be extremely surprised if they published it. You could jump up and down and complain that they are biased or whatever else but at the end of the day the editorial committee run the show. If they want to publish scientific papers they can self publish or find another organisation that will publish. If people want to publish extremist nonsense they could do what you are doing and simply join a forum like MT.
As to volcanoes under the ice in Antarctica, there is a small chance there could be some activity causing ice melt. When we visited Antarctica a few years back a few of our group actually went for a dip at Deception Island where a small vent was warming the surrounding water. That is an active volcano, just it is not erupting at present. There are no known active volcanoes causing glacial ice melt at present so how is it dishonest to not acknowledge something for which there is no evidence of its existence. After all I am pretty sure it wasn't elephants trampling my front lawn. Is it dishonest of me not to state publicly that I might have been visited by a stray pachyderm? So, really, I don't think it even a tiny bit dishonest to ignore the volcanoes erupting under the Antarctic glaciers, unless of course, someone can find one.
Some, not all, but we are told the debate is over...and if we try to debate we get name called...sort of like what granfire does...
And considering they only deployed seismic equipment capable of withstanding the cold of the Antarctic, what, two years ago...and yet they think they know everything there is to know about what might be happening under the ice...really? That they can say that volcanic activity isn't causing any melt...
And the climategate emails show there were coordinated attempts to block skeptic papers from getting published...and to get editors fired...and to destroy their data to deny it to skeptics...but we have to "trust" their word about their "science" on the subject of global warming...really?
No, I am just not afraid to post things that discuss the issue...I believe that the earth warms, and cools...and the debate is when the earth is going to do which, next. Some scientists say it is warming because of man...then if we are pumping green house gases into the air in increasing amounts...then why did the warming stop for the last 17 years, 9 months...something their alleged models did not predict...so why should I trust them when they say the earth is warming, when it hasn't, and then the next step...if it stopped warming, how is that possible if man is causing it...we certainly didn't stop putting out greenhouse gases lately...in fact, India, China are putting out even more.
And then the scientists I cite are called fakes, and frauds and shills...but the other side are angels...tell me who isn't being honest here...
I put out the information I find and if some of these guys say global warming is happening...see...the glaciers are melting...I like to show that well...if they say that, why don't they talk about the volcanoes...
I am not the one suppressing critics, or threatening critics and if you disagree...feel free to find your own sources and post those...
K-man...it doesn't have to erupt...it can just ooze...ever see the volcanoes in Hawaii...the lava that bubbles and bubbles without exploding...might heat up water a bit...and they don't even know the extent of these things because they can't measure them accurately yet...
And yet...they want to tell us to change our lives on their word...
How do you know it is extremist nonsense...the guys telling you this are the ones who lied to you already...as they collect their grant money, awards, tenure, book deals, lecture fees...
Here you go K-man...volcanoes that ooze lava in Hawaii...would it be a stretch to think that the two volcanos they know about under the Antarctic ice might ooze lava...and that that might heat water...and that might be the cause of any melt of the ice...
http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Red-hot-Hawaii-The-Big-Island-s-lava-flows-ooze-1097995.php
You should check out the photos...looks kind of...hot...
Uhhhh...here is a list of volcanos in Antarctica...from wikipedia...that is a lot of volcanos...I wonder how many of them are oozing...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_volcanoes_in_Antarctica
from one of the Answer sites...
So, at least two are oozing hot lava into the water under the ice...hmmmm...
Hmmm...there seem to be active volcanos under the arctic ice as well...really? and they never mention this when they allege the glaciers are melting...
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080625140649.htm
Really...really...check this out...
Something else they didn't know...because the science on underwater volcanos was..."settled"...as of 2008...
Well, I guess that assumption isn't "settled" anymore...is it...perhaps they can just create a consensus and say that it is anyway...
So tell me again how man made global warming science is "settled..."
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The fact that they haven't found volcanic activity certainly doesn't mean that there is no volcanic activity. However it also doesn't mean there is. So, unlike you who is clutching at straws, I am prepared to wait for evidence. Glaciers are retreating all over the world. Are you suggesting that there are volcanoes under all of them?
As a friend of mine would say ... GALGOI! (Get a life, get over it) Climategate happened, it was explained, it was years ago. Forget it, it is no longer relevant.
You see, many might say that the warming didn't stop back then. You are the most vocal proponent of that theory. Others would say that heat is being stored in the oceans but far from me to claim to be expert.
I'm not sure that I have read of anybody you have quoted being called 'fakes, and frauds and shills'. Certainly some are lacking credibility because of past performance and I might not credit them as reputable, but not fakes, frauds and shills. There are extremists in all fields. Science is no different. I prefer to keep an open mind rather than push the views of people who have taken money to push a position in the past.
Why would people talk about volcanoes unless there was a shred of evidence to suggest it was a factor?
The volcano on Hawaii is active, believe me. I have flown over it, seen it and smelled it. If there was one doing that in Antarctica we would know about it.
Oh, btw, the Hawaiian volcano doesn't just 'ooze', it blows up.
No, they don't want us to change our lives on their word. We are relying on their evidence for that.
As to the publication of extremist nonsense ... it was the stuff you are posting I was referring to.
They might. Then again they might not.
I'm not sure where you are getting the rubbish about deep water volcanoes from. Hawaii was formed from deep water volcanoes. They have known that for many years. There is a new island forming in the same area. They knew that when I was in Hawaii 20 years ago. I have watched documentaries on underwater volcanic activity for decades. Nothing new there. While the Earth has a molten core and we have shifting continental plates we will have volcanoes coming up in lots of new places. Hardly rocket science!
As to Antarctica ... Mount Erebus is active, that is it has molten lava. Mount Berlin and Deception Island have steam vents. The Hudson Mountains and Penguin Island may be active. What is that meant to prove?
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How hot is lava...or as Dr. Evil would say..."Magma."
How Hot Is Lava? | LiveScience
Hmmm....ice melts at 32 degrees vs. lava at a minimum 570 degrees...yeah...that won't effect ice in the Antarctic...
How Hot Is Lava? | LiveScience
Hmmm....ice melts at 32 degrees vs. lava at a minimum 570 degrees...yeah...that won't effect ice in the Antarctic...
Exactly! If it was there it would certainly affect the ice. Just that no one has found it. There is no evidence that lava is melting glaciers. Where is the evidence for your proposition? In your mind!
granfire
Sr. Grandmaster
ice thickness of between 2000 and 4000 meters....yeah, I can see it where the lava doesn't make a dent....
granfire
Sr. Grandmaster
Drat! Must be those pesky volcanoes again.
granfire
Sr. Grandmaster
Drat! Must be those pesky volcanoes again.
Polar bear pee
ballen0351
Sr. Grandmaster
Yep and at some point it will all be gone. BUT then it will all freeze again you know like the last time
Antarctic Rate of Ice Loss Double Previous Estimate | I ****ing Love Science
Sooo...let me translate this...since telling people that the worst case is about 1000 years away...uhhhh...we better change the time scale on that or they won't give us money to fix a problem 1000 years in the future...(What were those idiots thinking telling people it will take 1000 years...sure...that's long enough that they won't be able to tell we were full of **** but too far away to get them to pay us...)
Sooo...now...
Whew...fixed that...so now...if you will just give us all the money we want we can continue to study this fake...urrrr...apocalyptic problem...something that we can't fix if we tried...urrrrr...I mean if we just start now with draconian life style changes for you stupid people...
Sooo...let me translate this...since telling people that the worst case is about 1000 years away...uhhhh...we better change the time scale on that or they won't give us money to fix a problem 1000 years in the future...(What were those idiots thinking telling people it will take 1000 years...sure...that's long enough that they won't be able to tell we were full of **** but too far away to get them to pay us...)
Sooo...now...
Whew...fixed that...so now...if you will just give us all the money we want we can continue to study this fake...urrrr...apocalyptic problem...something that we can't fix if we tried...urrrrr...I mean if we just start now with draconian life style changes for you stupid people...
granfire
Sr. Grandmaster
eventually we will have died out, somehow the earth will - likely - find a new way to reabsorb Carbon.
Or not and just develop new lifeforms.
It won't matter, because mankind will be dead and gone.
ballen0351
Sr. Grandmaster
Lol yeah that's what he's saying
wimwag
Blue Belt
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