Ameliorating Knife Crime

[Dirty Dog]

I really don't see how this would help. I highly doubt that knife crime tends to be committed with kitchen knives. It is extremely easy to acquire Balisongs, Zombie knives, pocket knives, in the UK. I own a Lansky World legal knife, a pocket knife designed to be legal to own and carry in as many countries as possible (including the UK).

I've treated way more kitchen knife stabbings than anything else.

 

[Gyakuto]

Do they just go about collaring innocent looking people and make them turn out their pockets?

There is a ‘stop and search’ policy, but the police have to have ‘reasonable suspicion’ and the statistics showed that black youths were being differentially targeted, so it fell out of favour. However it seems to be coming back now.

If one was wearing paint spattered workwear and you had a screwdriver/work knife sticking out of the top of your thigh pocket the rozzers would likely ignore you. If, on the other hand, you were wearing a baseball cap backwards, wearing urban sportswear, holding street gang hand signs and contorting you face in that certain way then you’d likely be stopped if the same equipment was on your person.

I’m angelic in affect, and possess morals as pure as the driven snow.

That’s a chilling line originally used by Prince Andrew

 

[Ivan]

In the U.K., 25% of attacks are with kitchen knives. They’re easier to acquire for youths, who are the main culprit and they’re very cheap.

Really? Balisong? Yes, pocket knives but I think zombie knife sales are being heavily clamped down upon due to their adverse publicity and rightly so.

You’d better watch this-

Do you have a good reason to carry it in public, or an excuse?

Whether I have a good reason or not doesn't really matter. They can't stop me and search me. Also, knife crime is indicative of a larger societal problem in this country. Banning knives or blunting their edges won't really help all that much; bad people will always find a way to do bad things. If it isn't knife crime, it will be people in rental cars ploughing into crowds of people, just like at the German Christmas Market in 2024. We should be focused on figuring out what is causing people to do such acts, rather than attempting to take away the tools to do so. If you take away the tools instead of actually figuring out the problem, violence will become more repressed, only for it to be expressed and lashed out with in much worse way later down the line.

 

[Gyakuto]

Whether I have a good reason or not doesn't really matter. They can't stop me and search me.

Do you live in the U.K.? Did you watch the video…by a British barrister? Have you heard of police stop and search?

Also, knife crime is indicative of a larger societal problem in this country. Banning knives or blunting their edges won't really help all that much; bad people will always find a way to do bad things. If it isn't knife crime, it will be people in rental cars ploughing into crowds of people, just like at the German Christmas Market in 2024. We should be focused on figuring out what is causing people to do such acts, rather than attempting to take away the tools to do so.

Which of those two things do you think is the easiest to accomplish and cheapest for a government in a single four year term?

I’m sure there’s no secret as to the issues; low self-esteem pushing them toward macho attitudes perpetuated by certain life styles/music genres, poor education resulting in young men who have impoverished critical thinking skills and thus the inability to understand the consequences of their actions and also narrowed job prospects, totally inappropriate role models, absent/poor parents, poverty which makes those oh-so-desirable material things out of their reach without resorting to crime… These are inconspicuous, difficult, very long term issues with which to deal.

Removing the tips from knives? Cheap, easy, immediate and high profile.

If you take away the tools instead of actually figuring out the problem, violence will become more repressed, only for it to be expressed and lashed out with in much worse way later down the line.

Yes, I agree with your hinted-at idea of going into schools, identifying loners and generally funny-looking children and mincing them down into dog food or fuel for power stations. It will prevent many knife crimes

 

[HighKick]

In the U.K., 25% of attacks are with kitchen knives. They’re easier to acquire for youths, who are the main culprit and they’re very cheap.

Really? Balisong? Yes, pocket knives but I think zombie knife sales are being heavily clamped down upon due to their adverse publicity and rightly so.

You’d better watch this-

Do you have a good reason to carry it in public, or an excuse?

I carry a utility style knife on my pocket everywhere I go. I cannot count the times it was unexpectedly needed. Heck, it has even happened in a doctor's office. Hence the name 'utility'.

 

[HighKick]

Probably closest thing I've had is fish n chips. At least whatever the bastardized American version is lol. Seriously though, if most of the kitchen knife crime is domestic violence related, i cant imagine that blunting the tips would help much. I'd hate to think of what a woman would do next if she tried to stab you and it didnt work. I know a guy whose crazy wife stabbed him with a kitchen knife when he wouldnt put out when she wanted. That girl would've probably gone apesh$t and bludgeoned him to death if her stabbing was thwarted.

I can get the argument in regard to penetration but with the slightest bit of effort the end result can be the same with a blunted knife by simply creating an opening with the sharp edge first. It is done all the time in manufacturing processes.

One of the nastiest looking stabbing cases I ever worked was from a person who used a utility knife. He stabbed a co-worker over 50-times. There had been bad-blood boiling between them for some time and it finally boiled over at work one night. I am paraphrasing, but he said something to the effect of "I did not want to kill him, I just wanted to hurt him".
Ironically, there wasn't all that much blood considering the number of stabs. but it sure was a mess.
He ended up being charged with aggravated assault because intent to kill could not be proven. The two guys are friends to this day. It's a crazy world.

 

[Prince_Alarming]

The problem is that you use the tip of the knife for more delicate work, like making chopped salads and so on. Huge Furry Whittling stick doesn't usually do that kind of cooking. The other thing is that you can acquire a billhook pretty easily and having taken off quite large tree branches with them I imagine you could do a lot of damage with one. Come to think of it, a lot of the tools I use on a regular basis differ from medieval weapons in terms of use rather than shape or size.

 

[Gyakuto]

The problem is that you use the tip of the knife for more delicate work, like making chopped salads and so on. Huge Furry Whittling stick doesn't usually do that kind of cooking. The other thing is that you can acquire a billhook pretty easily and having taken off quite large tree branches with them I imagine you could do a lot of damage with one. Come to think of it, a lot of the tools I use on a regular basis differ from medieval weapons in terms of use rather than shape or size.

 

[Gyakuto]

I’ve just be searching for some stats; the number of stabbing deaths/100k of population-

(Stabbing Deaths by Country 2024)

Perhaps reducing the availability of knives (as in the U.K.) does reduce knife crime..,

 

[HighKick]

The problem is that you use the tip of the knife for more delicate work, like making chopped salads and so on. Huge Furry Whittling stick doesn't usually do that kind of cooking. The other thing is that you can acquire a billhook pretty easily and having taken off quite large tree branches with them I imagine you could do a lot of damage with one. Come to think of it, a lot of the tools I use on a regular basis differ from medieval weapons in terms of use rather than shape or size.

Is a billhook and a hook bill knife the same thing? I have a couple hook bills for working with insulated wire and baling twine, but they are small with maybe a 1/4" curve.

 

[Prince_Alarming]

Is a billhook and a hook bill knife the same thing? I have a couple hook bills for working with insulated wire and baling twine, but they are small with maybe a 1/4" curve.

not sure, it's one of these:

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/325199123?sc_cmp=ppc*GHS+-+Grocery+-+New*MPX_PMAX_All_OT_Marketplace+Garden+%26+DIY_Marketplace+Budget_1011013**325199123*&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiA8Lu9BhA8EiwAag16b13sBqpvsYA4gQnXcGJxmXkNXbhm0v8FTqG2Z7qCoHvgZyM46vQfyRoCEfUQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

they're about a foot and a bit long, maybe a bit longer

 

[Buka]

Well here you just ruined the nice daydream i was having of Mrs Habits stabbing me to no avail with a blunted kitchen knife. I was enjoying the imagined look of consternation on her face...

It’s been a hard last few days. Just unwinding with some potables and relaxing when I read “Mrs Habits”

Bro, there’s beer all over the place now. Both nostrils.

 

[Buka]

I've treated way more kitchen knife stabbings than anything else.

Mad props. Huge.

 

[Ivan]

Do you live in the U.K.? Did you watch the video…by a British barrister? Have you heard of police stop and search?

Which of those two things do you think is the easiest to accomplish and cheapest for a government in a single four year term?

I’m sure there’s no secret as to the issues; low self-esteem pushing them toward macho attitudes perpetuated by certain life styles/music genres, poor education resulting in young men who have impoverished critical thinking skills and thus the inability to understand the consequences of their actions and also narrowed job prospects, totally inappropriate role models, absent/poor parents, poverty which makes those oh-so-desirable material things out of their reach without resorting to crime… These are inconspicuous, difficult, very long term issues with which to deal.

Removing the tips from knives? Cheap, easy, immediate and high profile.

Yes, I agree with your hinted-at idea of going into schools, identifying loners and generally funny-looking children and mincing them down into dog food or fuel for power stations. It will prevent many knife crimes

That’s a pretty interesting way to perceive what I said. You can remove the tips from knives all you want, but when the country is at the point where you feel the need to do that, clearly there’s bigger issues at play. Bandaid fixes might provide short term relief, but when you refuse to deal with serious issues in a serious manner, you will suffer serious consequences.

You’re right, there are no male role models, because everytime one is presented, whether it be Jesus, or Rocky, the first thing out of anyone’s mouth is “toxic masculinity” and “patriarchy”. Just look at the US. Statistically, a 33% chance for a male to be raised in a single mother home, only to educated in a school system where the majority of teachers are female. The issue is a lack of masculinity, and role models not “machismo” or “macho attitudes”. Those attitudes have existed for over a century, yet I don’t think mass school shootings and stabbing were a problem in the 50s.

Numerous things have changed in the last 70 years:
1. The mass migration of people into Britain stressing the NHS and other systems to aid the populace, well beyond their limit
2. The erosion of fatherhood, the importance of it, and masculine role models
3. The over reliance on anti-depressants; let’s hook as many people up on these pills that help them feel short term relief instead of actually helping them by changing their diets or exercise. What a perfect way for pharmaceutical companies to pad their profits and make lifetime customers!
4. The absolutely ludicrous amount of uber-processed food products. Doritos, Mountain Dew, Monster Energy, you name it!

I am sure that blunting the tips of kitchen knives will help with these issues - by treating the symptom instead of the underlying disease.

 

[Gyakuto]

Bandaid fixes might provide short term relief,

That short term relief is someone’s child, someone’s daughter, someone’s parents who survive because of sticking plaster fixes.

but when you refuse to deal with serious issues in a serious manner, you will suffer serious consequences.

It’s not a refusal, it’s a economic decision; it’s too costly and therefore vote-losing. This is how governments think.

You’re right, there are no male role models, because everytime one is presented, whether it be Jesus, or Rocky, the first thing out of anyone’s mouth is “toxic masculinity” and “patriarchy”.

Jesus was a bit too macho…all that carpentry and bread-breaking. What about Neil Armstrong? What about Amal Clooney? How about a ‘famous sporting personality who has never been involved in a financial or sexual scandal’ (well I don’t know!)

Just look at the US. Statistically, a 33% chance for a male to be raised in a single mother home, only to educated in a school system where the majority of teachers are female. The issue is a lack of masculinity, and role models not “machismo” or “macho attitudes”. Those attitudes have existed for over a century, yet I don’t think mass school shootings and stabbing were a problem in the 50s.

There may be kernel of truth in what you say, but certain chinless idiots take it too far.

Numerous things have changed in the last 70 years:
1. The mass migration of people into Britain stressing the NHS and other systems to aid the populace, well beyond their limit

The NHS is overloaded by idiots who refuse vaccines because they will ‘allow their data to be stolen by Bill Gates’ Ask my hospital consultant wife.

2. The erosion of fatherhood, the importance of it, and masculine role models

Do you think pre-historic humans were pair bonded in male/female configuration. It was coitus, a bit of post-natal care and then onto the next conquest. This type family you describe is a recent judeo-christian construct and look how nasty that lot were.

3. The over reliance on anti-depressants; let’s hook as many people up on these pills that help them feel short term relief instead of actually helping them by changing their diets or exercise. What a perfect way for pharmaceutical companies to pad their profits and make lifetime customers!

A kernel of truth extrapolated to a conspiratorial narrative. Diets and exercise, yes, but humans take the easy route; pizza, Ant and Dec and Ozempic and cfillers. Again this is far too expensive for governments to role out.

4. The absolutely ludicrous amount of uber-processed food products. Doritos, Mountain Dew, Monster Energy, you name it!

Yes indeed, and people who can’t even cook basic meals. The number of healthy people in my gym who chug energy drinks thinking it’s fine because they’re doing a few curls.

I am sure that blunting the tips of kitchen knives will help with these issues - by treating the symptom instead of the underlying disease.

Long term interventions are the answer but you have to understand human nature and the resistance they put up to change. They choose ease, comfort, stabbing and the status quo over hard exercise, calorie restriction and discussing their issues over a coffee with their rival gang members.

 

[Ivan]

That short term relief is someone’s child, someone’s daughter, someone’s parents who survive because of sticking plaster fixes.

It’s not a refusal, it’s a economic decision; it’s too costly and therefore vote-losing. This is how governments think.

Jesus was a bit too macho…all that carpentry and bread-breaking. What about Neil Armstrong? What about Amal Clooney? How about a ‘famous sporting personality who has never been involved in a financial or sexual scandal’ (well I don’t know!)

There may be kernel of truth in what you say, but certain chinless idiots take it too far.

The NHS is overloaded by idiots who refuse vaccines because they will ‘allow their data to be stolen by Bill Gates’ Ask my hospital consultant wife.

Do you think pre-historic humans were pair bonded in male/female configuration. It was coitus, a bit of post-natal care and then onto the next conquest. This type family you describe is a recent judeo-christian construct and look how nasty that lot were.

A kernel of truth extrapolated to a conspiratorial narrative. Diets and exercise, yes, but humans take the easy route; pizza, Ant and Dec and Ozempic and cfillers. Again this is far too expensive for governments to role out.

Yes indeed, and people who can’t even cook basic meals. The number of healthy people in my gym who chug energy drinks thinking it’s fine because they’re doing a few curls.

Long term interventions are the answer but you have to understand human nature and the resistance they put up to change. They choose ease, comfort, stabbing and the status quo over hard exercise, calorie restriction and discussing their issues over a coffee with their rival gang members.

This kernel of truth isn’t a thing. It’s either true or it is not true. And I will tell you, it is; if you think Andrew Tate, of all people is the reason for stabbing and mass violence then I’m sorry to say but that’s just not true. You can’t take the one hyper masculine wannabe role model that has appeared in the last 3-4 years, and then pin a culture of violence and gang crime that has been brewing since before the 2000s.

Also, I don’t buy the whole “oh it’s a conspiracy theory”. That term was invented and planted into the media by the CIA to discredit government critics - one google search and you can see this. You can’t use that to discredit the argument being made. The US has a long history of experimentation on its own citizens dating all the way back to the 1940s, with multiple scandals and experiments being exposed each decade. But now, in the age where they have the most funding and technology capabilities to do so, it’s a “conspiratorial narrative” to believe the government and companies work together to exploit the mentally ill for money?

We have more than enough money to fund programs to help people get back on track; the amount of money being spent on house people who don’t belong here in 5 star hotels is probably the cause for “financial black hole” we have heard so much about. Also, regardless of your views on vaccines, the NHS isn’t overloaded by anti-vaxxers. It’s overloaded by people queuing up in the emergency hospitals with minor sprains and fevers.

That short term relief is someone’s child, someone’s daughter, someone’s parents who survive because of sticking plaster fixes.

It’s not a refusal, it’s a economic decision; it’s too costly and therefore vote-losing. This is how governments think.

Jesus was a bit too macho…all that carpentry and bread-breaking. What about Neil Armstrong? What about Amal Clooney? How about a ‘famous sporting personality who has never been involved in a financial or sexual scandal’ (well I don’t know!)

There may be kernel of truth in what you say, but certain chinless idiots take it too far.

The NHS is overloaded by idiots who refuse vaccines because they will ‘allow their data to be stolen by Bill Gates’ Ask my hospital consultant wife.

Do you think pre-historic humans were pair bonded in male/female configuration. It was coitus, a bit of post-natal care and then onto the next conquest. This type family you describe is a recent judeo-christian construct and look how nasty that lot were.

A kernel of truth extrapolated to a conspiratorial narrative. Diets and exercise, yes, but humans take the easy route; pizza, Ant and Dec and Ozempic and cfillers. Again this is far too expensive for governments to role out.

Yes indeed, and people who can’t even cook basic meals. The number of healthy people in my gym who chug energy drinks thinking it’s fine because they’re doing a few curls.

Long term interventions are the answer but you have to understand human nature and the resistance they put up to change. They choose ease, comfort, stabbing and the status quo over hard exercise, calorie restriction and discussing their issues over a coffee with their rival gang members.

This kernel of truth isn’t a thing. It’s either true or it is not true. And I will tell you, it is; if you think Andrew Tate, of all people is the reason for stabbing and mass violence then I’m sorry to say but that’s just not true. You can’t take the one hyper masculine wannabe role model that has appeared in the last 3-4 years, and then pin a culture of violence and gang crime that has been brewing since before the 2000s. Andrew Tate is a side effect of young men not having any real male role models, especially when we consider the aforementioned statistics of how likely they are to grow up without a father figure in their life. Making light of Jesus isn’t gonna mask the issue that he is the perfect male role model.

Also, I don’t buy the whole “oh it’s a conspiracy theory”. That term was invented and planted into the media by the CIA to discredit government critics - one google search and you can see this. You can’t use that to discredit the argument being made. The US has a long history of experimentation on its own citizens dating all the way back to the 1940s, with multiple scandals and experiments being exposed each decade. But now, in the age where they have the most funding and technology capabilities to do so, it’s a “conspiratorial narrative” to believe the government and companies work together to exploit the mentally ill for money?

We have more than enough money to fund programs to help people get back on track; the amount of money being spent on house people who don’t belong here in 5 star hotels is probably the cause for “financial black hole” we have heard so much about. Also, regardless of your views on vaccines, the NHS isn’t overloaded by anti-vaxxers. It’s overloaded by people queuing up in the emergency hospitals with minor sprains and fevers. Not to mention the ridiculous British drinking culture, where you either get flat out drunk to the point you injure yourself, or don’t drink at all; no wonder European countries hate British tourists.

 

[Gyakuto]

Also, I don’t buy the whole “oh it’s a conspiracy theory”. That term was invented and planted into the media by the CIA to discredit government critics - one google search and you can see this.

OK, this conversation is over Best of luck

 

[Ivan]

I’ve just be searching for some stats; the number of stabbing deaths/100k of population-

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(Stabbing Deaths by Country 2024)

Perhaps reducing the availability of knives (as in the U.K.) does reduce knife crime..,

That’s probably because the UK is an isolated island, and the US borders Mexico, a country known for cartel, organized crime and the smuggling of drugs and weaponry.

 

[HighKick]

not sure, it's one of these:

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/325199123?sc_cmp=ppc*GHS+-+Grocery+-+New*MPX_PMAX_All_OT_Marketplace+Garden+%26+DIY_Marketplace+Budget_1011013**325199123*&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiA8Lu9BhA8EiwAag16b13sBqpvsYA4gQnXcGJxmXkNXbhm0v8FTqG2Z7qCoHvgZyM46vQfyRoCEfUQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

they're about a foot and a bit long, maybe a bit longer

This is what I think of for a hook bill knife. They come in a few shapes and sizes and are used in several ways: Hook Bill Knife
As for your image, we have a couple old ones laying around at the other farm. There are different shapes, but we always called them a sickle. Good for cutting rough brush.

 

[Badhabits]

It’s been a hard last few days. Just unwinding with some potables and relaxing when I read “Mrs Habits”

Bro, there’s beer all over the place now. Both nostrils.

Dude, same here. Just got over a three week case of pneumonia. Last night Mrs Habits and I broke out the big bottle of wine, jammed some music outside on the big speakers and cooked steaks, crab cakes, asparagus and scallops on the grill. Unwinding indeed! She didnt even try to kick my *** last night lol