Ameliorating Knife Crime

[Gyakuto]

“Not all kitchen knives need to have a point on them, that sounds like a crazy thing to say,” told Idris Elba to BBC Radio 4. “But you can still prepare and cut your food without the point on your knife, which is an innovative way to look at it.”Idris Elba proposes removing kitchen knife points to curb stabbing deaths

I heard a top chef (Hugh Christopher Edmund Fearnley-Whittingstall) saying he uses the tip of his preparation knives a very small proportion of the time and if doing away with them saves a single life, then he would support the idea. As an ‘amateur food preparer’ (cutting sandwiches in half, mainly ) I can’t remember ever using the point of my knife, so why have them?

No doubt you’ve all spotted the flaw in this argument, hinted at in this video which is about the knife edge.

What do you think?

 

[Ivan]

“Not all kitchen knives need to have a point on them, that sounds like a crazy thing to say,” told Idris Elba to BBC Radio 4. “But you can still prepare and cut your food without the point on your knife, which is an innovative way to look at it.”Idris Elba proposes removing kitchen knife points to curb stabbing deaths

I heard a top chef (Hugh Christopher Edmund Fearnley-Whittingstall) saying he uses the tip of his preparation knives a very small proportion of the time and if doing away with them saves a single life, then he would support the idea. As an ‘amateur food preparer’ (cutting sandwiches in half, mainly ) I can’t remember ever using the point of my knife, so why have them?
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No doubt you’ve all spotted the flaw in this argument, hinted at in this video which is about the knife edge.

What do you think?

I really don't see how this would help. I highly doubt that knife crime tends to be committed with kitchen knives. It is extremely easy to acquire Balisongs, Zombie knives, pocket knives, in the UK. I own a Lansky World legal knife, a pocket knife designed to be legal to own and carry in as many countries as possible (including the UK).

 

[Gyakuto]

I really don't see how this would help. I highly doubt that knife crime tends to be committed with kitchen knives.

In the U.K., 25% of attacks are with kitchen knives. They’re easier to acquire for youths, who are the main culprit and they’re very cheap.

It is extremely easy to acquire Balisongs, Zombie knives, pocket knives, in the UK.

Really? Balisong? Yes, pocket knives but I think zombie knife sales are being heavily clamped down upon due to their adverse publicity and rightly so.

I own a Lansky World legal knife, a pocket knife designed to be legal to own and carry in as many countries as possible (including the UK).

You’d better watch this-

Do you have a good reason to carry it in public, or an excuse?

 

[O'Malley]

In the U.K., 25% of attacks are with kitchen knives. They’re easier to acquire for youths, who are the main culprit and they’re very cheap.

Really? Balisong? Yes, pocket knives but I think zombie knife sales are being heavily clamped down upon due to their adverse publicity and rightly so.

You’d better watch this-

Do you have a good reason to carry it in public, or an excuse?

I suspect that one would likewise need a good reason to carry a kitchen knife in public.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Jesus Christ, next you will need permission to take off your mittens. Why do you need to have bare hands? Do you have a permit for those finger nails? Living in nanny land sounds very unappealing.

 

[Buka]

In the U.K., 25% of attacks are with kitchen knives. They’re easier to acquire for youths, who are the main culprit and they’re very cheap.

Really? Balisong? Yes, pocket knives but I think zombie knife sales are being heavily clamped down upon due to their adverse publicity and rightly so.

You’d better watch this-

Do you have a good reason to carry it in public, or an excuse?

That “you better watch this” video, I’m keeping that for when I can’t sleep and really need to. That man had me snoring it three minutes.

 

[Badhabits]

I'd hate to try cleaning a fish without a tip. Or debone chicken. Or cut venison from around the bone. Or cut any melon open.
Does this apply to the tip of an oyster knife?
Do y'all not hunt or fish or garden across the pond???
Are "kitchen knife crimes" in the UK happening in the streets or are they mostly domestic violence related?

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

I'd hate to try cleaning a fish without a tip. Or debone chicken. Or cut venison from around the bone. Or cut any melon open.
Does this apply to the tip of an oyster knife?
Do y'all not hunt or fish or garden across the pond???
Are "kitchen knife crimes" in the UK happening in the streets or are they mostly domestic violence related?

Have you eaten British food? Anyway soon they will ban hot sauce because someone might get indigestion, or use it in a manner that is inconsistent with the labeling.

 

[Badhabits]

Have you eaten British food? Anyway soon they will ban hot sauce because someone might get indigestion, or use it in a manner that is inconsistent with the labeling.

Probably closest thing I've had is fish n chips. At least whatever the bastardized American version is lol. Seriously though, if most of the kitchen knife crime is domestic violence related, i cant imagine that blunting the tips would help much. I'd hate to think of what a woman would do next if she tried to stab you and it didnt work. I know a guy whose crazy wife stabbed him with a kitchen knife when he wouldnt put out when she wanted. That girl would've probably gone apesh$t and bludgeoned him to death if her stabbing was thwarted.

 

[Gyakuto]

Jesus Christ, next you will need permission to take off your mittens. Why do you need to have bare hands? Do you have a permit for those finger nails? Living in nanny land sounds very unappealing.

We’ve had a spate of high profile knife crimes in the U.K. Most occur in London, are committed by young people of a certain demographic, killing other youths and even children and they, naturally cause public outrage stoked up with high TV news coverage with members of the public barely being able to string a sentence but eventually saying how awful it is and hinting it’s down to illegal immigration. The government has to be seen to be doing something about it but instead of dealing with disillusioned, bored, poorly educated, impoverished youth with low moral standards, they decide that dealing with availability of knives is the easier and, most importantly for any government, cheaper option. The problem is knives are required for many things in life. They cannot be removed from the U.K. anymore than we can remove….soil from the U.K. They come up with grand, mealy mouthed solutions and hope it makes them look actively progressive.

This is what’s happening over here. Thank goodness we don’t have guns over here or else I think we’d have more fatalities than you do it the USA.

 

[Gyakuto]

Have you eaten British food?

It is truly awful. After spending a week in Athens with its salads, feta cheese and wonderful orange cake/baklava, I can confirm that British food with it’s British burgers, British fries, British macaroni cheese, British Macdonalds style apple pie, British hot dogs, British corn bread, British buffalo wings, British cheesesteak and British fried chicken is truly awful, prepared by poorly trained food preparers/defrosters. I like to occasionally watch ‘Ramsey’s Kitchen Nightmares’ and envy your wonderful American food.

Anyway soon they will ban hot sauce because someone might get indigestion, or use it in a manner that is inconsistent with the labeling.

Throw it in the eyes, squirt it up someone’s anus….BAN it!

 

[Gyakuto]

Probably closest thing I've had is fish n chips. At least whatever the bastardized American version is lol. Seriously though, if most of the kitchen knife crime is domestic violence related, i cant imagine that blunting the tips would help much. I'd hate to think of what a woman would do next if she tried to stab you and it didnt work. I know a guy whose crazy wife stabbed him with a kitchen knife when he wouldnt put out when she wanted. That girl would've probably gone apesh$t and bludgeoned him to death if her stabbing was thwarted.

The point I was hinting at in the OP is that you don’t need a point to stab a person. Any knife-thin piece of metal could be forcefully thrust into a human body. Pointed knives can very easily be pressed into a torso with little force. No big swings or dramatic chambering required.

Removing pointed tips from knives would have no effect on reducing knife crimes.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

The point I was hinting at in the OP is that you don’t need a point to stab a person. Any knife-thin piece of metal could be forcefully thrust into a human body. Pointed knives can very easily be pressed into a torso with little force. No big swings or dramatic chambering required.

Removing pointed tips from knives would have no effect on reducing knife crimes.

Knives are prohibited in prison too, guess where a large portion of stabbings happen? Drugs are likewise banned in prison, but hey guess what, lots of drugs there. Prohibition is the gateway to crime successes.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

The point I was hinting at in the OP is that you don’t need a point to stab a person. Any knife-thin piece of metal could be forcefully thrust into a human body. Pointed knives can very easily be pressed into a torso with little force. No big swings or dramatic chambering required.

Removing pointed tips from knives would have no effect on reducing knife crimes.

It’s already illegal to stab people so where is the deterrent in a law prohibiting a common tool or implement? Screwdrivers work just fine for stabbing.

 

[Gyakuto]

Knives are prohibited in prison too, guess where a large portion of stabbings happen? Drugs are likewise banned in prison, but hey guess what, lots of drugs there. Prohibition is the gateway to crime successes.

Don’t they use sharpened spoons? A shiv?

 

[Gyakuto]

It’s already illegal to stab people so where is the deterrent in a law prohibiting a common tool or implement? Screwdrivers work just fine for stabbing.

I think if you carried a screwdriver in the U.K. without go reason, you might get in trouble with the rozzers, too.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

I think if you carried a screwdriver in the U.K. without go reason, you might get in trouble with the rozzers, too.

Do they just go about collaring innocent looking people and make them turn out their pockets? I’m angelic in affect, and possess morals as pure as the driven snow.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Don’t they use sharpened spoons? A shiv?

They use any piece of any material including paper or melted plastic. They even make shooters with elastic and poison the projectiles with feces.

 

[Badhabits]

The point I was hinting at in the OP is that you don’t need a point to stab a person. Any knife-thin piece of metal could be forcefully thrust into a human body. Pointed knives can very easily be pressed into a torso with little force. No big swings or dramatic chambering required.

Removing pointed tips from knives would have no effect on reducing knife crimes.

Well here you just ruined the nice daydream i was having of Mrs Habits stabbing me to no avail with a blunted kitchen knife. I was enjoying the imagined look of consternation on her face...

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Well here you just ruined the nice daydream i was having of Mrs Habits stabbing me to no avail with a blunted kitchen knife. I was enjoying the imagined look of consternation on her face...

Once, over a decade ago, I was called into work late to assist in a craniotomy. The patient was sitting upright being jovial, talkative, and wearing a red plastic Solo cup perched rakishly askew on their head. Later, we revealed the handle of a serrated steak knife from under the cup. The story was that the patients cohabitant stabbed the patient because they had eaten the last piece of chicken. The knife hit the suture line in the skull and was buried to the hilt. The knife was removed and the bleeding stopped and dura repaired. The patient survived and had no issues as a result. The tip of that knife was mostly blunt, I was amazed that such a flimsy knife went through the skull. I would think it far more likely that the blade would break or scythe off the curve of the skull.