drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
No real evidence of an aikidoka winning a fight. So even if we don't put styles theoretically head to head. You would reasonably look that when determining effective fighting.
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No real evidence of an aikidoka winning a fight. So even if we don't put styles theoretically head to head. You would reasonably look that when determining effective fighting.
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
I am not sure i am sold on this idea that training exclusively for multiple attackers with weapons is a good thing.
I endorse conservative,basic and safe for self defense. And i think you start to move away from that with multiples and weapons.
Ironbear24
Senior Master
So no aikidoka has ever won a fight in the history of the world?
Then don't be shocked when your students panic against an attacker with a weapon.
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
Aikido has one fights. But that isn't really evidence. Swimmers have won fights. You would want to see a trend.
Every single time i have fought a guy with a weapon. I have panicked. It is scary stuff.
Actually fighting multiples is pretty bloody scary as well.
Ironbear24
Senior Master
You shouldn't panic. That's what the training is for. It sounds stupid to say and is very easier said than done but that is the reality of it. You must have done something right since you are alive but your odds are better with training for it
Having also dealt with armed opponents (which I think we can all agree is not super common) I find this statement interesting, and I'd like you to expand on it, if you would.
I wouldn't say I've ever panicked. Do I get a huge adrenaline dump? Yes. But I've never panicked. By definition, if you're panicking, you're incapable of thought or, really, any sort of sensible, coordinated, response. Which means you're likely to be very unhappy with the outcome of the conflict. Assuming you're alive to be unhappy.
Are you saying you basically fall apart after the confrontation is over? That makes a lot more sense, honestly, but I don't think "panic" would be the correct term. in most cases.
I hate everything.
I will fong you!
Spinedoc
Brown Belt
I understand what you are saying, but the above question was what was Aikido meant for? I answered that...this is how and what we train for. The bar fight when 3 people are running at you, or in the dark alley when someone pulls a knife and their buddy is right behind them....this is what we train for.
Aikido works just fine for what it is designed for.
Here we see a police officer utilizing an Aikido like technique easily and disarming a knife:
I know Aikidoka who have worked in law enforcement, corrections, etc. They were all pleased with the efficiency of their chosen system.
Here we see a police officer utilizing an Aikido like technique easily and disarming a knife:
I know Aikidoka who have worked in law enforcement, corrections, etc. They were all pleased with the efficiency of their chosen system.
Steve
Mostly Harmless
Okay. All kidding aside, according to what has been called aikido, that wasn't it. That disarm could also be called "kenpo like" or "Krav maga like."
Where was the aiki? Where was the philosophy of ueshiba? The bad guy fed him literally zero energy, which is anathema to what aikido is said to be all about. Isn't it?
That there was an Aiki jujutsu technique that could be from many systems in South East Asia. Yet, that is an Aikido technique in application.
As to the movement of the police officer. There was distraction, blending, etc. it was all there. I am sorry you cannot see it Steve.
As to the movement of the police officer. There was distraction, blending, etc. it was all there. I am sorry you cannot see it Steve.
What is your problem Steve. I was not being patronizing at all to you!
Steve
Mostly Harmless
I'm sorry you cannot see it, Brian. But please, since I can't ignore you....
oaktree
Master of Arts
Well understand what is said was when the founder has already gone through war and real life and death challenges. I think due to his very religious experiences and seeing combat his focus started to focus on a more higher calling. Understand that Japanese at least more modern times do not view learning martial arts for self defense, the idea that learning for street effectiveness doesn't apply in a place that is relatively safe at least when I was in Japan talking about self defense. Aikido at least before ww2 was a lot more brutal and more in line with Daito Ryu aikijujutsu.Quite an article. It does reinforce my belief that "Defense against Aikido" is called the "don't attack" defense.
Seriously, though, it appears that Aikido, at least in its later years, is a kind of ritualized physical activity, sharing much in common with Tai Chi. Meditative, spiritual and healthful, with a historical, martial base.
It would seem you have an issue with me Steve. Sorry that you feel that way. I have absolutely no problem with you. Just so we understand each other!
oaktree
Master of Arts
Well it was a recognize technique kote gaeshi. The aiki is found in the leg that sweeps him. Understand the word åę° has also the meaning of unbalancing. Borrowing a person's force and redirecting it is another principle it still follows the concept of unbalancing. To really understand aiki principles is to undertake swordsmanship.
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
Not an akido technique. Not the blending not the distraction. Nothing.
A martial arts technique that many people have learned in many different styles.
Don't stress about steve. Ok. Suggesting he doesn't understand the mechanics of the bjj wristlock in the video might bite a bit. But he will get over it.
