Ai tips and Tricks with a dash of martial arts.

Being an IT person and at one time doing IT security, I tend to avoid any software or web app that is based in China. AI from China, I will avoid doubly so....
My rule for things like this have always been a business approach. What is the law of the land. What is the government allowed to do. If you don't like the laws of that government then don't use their stuff or do business there.

By default the US and UK will not be open to software from China. China will not be open to software from the US. The laws contradict in certain areas. That's just a reality. I'm not sure where US laws stands these days. Lots of unusual things going on. It's not clear how it will have an effect on ai.
 
Deepseek is free, open-source software (FOSS). Unlike other AI services that require payment for services beyond basic usage, operate as closed systems—where data practices are opaque and users lack insight into how their data is handled—FOSS projects like Deepseek prioritize transparency, allowing users to inspect the code and verify data usage

AI is a tool, as opposed as a thing that everyone is trying to make money off of.
It is a Chinese company, therefore, likely government involvement. Either way, any Chinese tech company, in my professional opinion, is not one I trust
 
My rule for things like this have always been a business approach. What is the law of the land. What is the government allowed to do. If you don't like the laws of that government then don't use their stuff or do business there.

By default the US and UK will not be open to software from China. China will not be open to software from the US. The laws contradict in certain areas. That's just a reality. I'm not sure where US laws stands these days. Lots of unusual things going on. It's not clear how it will have an effect on ai.
China runs Microsoft Windows and Office. And it has run multiple US software and US based web apps over the years, at least long enough to pirate them and then ban them and run their pirated replacement. They have not yet done this with Windows or Office, but they did once threaten to ban Windows and go head long into Linux development if Microsoft did not back off with their complaints about pirated software. Microsoft backed down. China's ability to reverse engineer is impressive and absolutely amazing.

Google got kicked out because it refused to follow the PRC rules, took a stand expecting the other US based tech companies to get behind them.... they didn't and Google got banned. Besides, China had already taken whet they needed from google to launch Baidu

As for AI, it is an important thing to look at, it can be used for good things, which it has proven, but it had already proven it can be used for bad things too. Not ready for any AI, no matter where it is based, to early in the development. But AI from China, the rules are INCREDIBLY different, or will be, from any here in the US, And for the record, the Chinese government is very good at agreeing with the rules you tell them they need to follow, and then going off and doing what the want to do just the same, the rules be damned.
 
Deepseek is free, open-source software (FOSS). Unlike other AI services that require payment for services beyond basic usage, operate as closed systems—where data practices are opaque and users lack insight into how their data is handled—FOSS projects like Deepseek prioritize transparency, allowing users to inspect the code and verify data usage

AI is a tool, as opposed as a thing that everyone is trying to make money off of.
From an IT Professional perspective free is the thing you watch out the most for. Free Software is the easiest way for me to get you to install software that allows me to hack into your computer. Open Source does not mean more secure.
 
China runs Microsoft Windows and Office. And it has run multiple US software and US based web apps over the years, at least long enough to pirate them and then ban them and run their pirated replacement.
This will always be in the rights of how a communist government functions. In that type of government structure its not considered to be illegal. They can do things like seize foreign companies and run them. It's no secret and there's very little a company can do about it except cut off supply. Businesses know risk and are willing to take the risk.

But with Ai we'll either be flooded with bad information or be restricted from accurate information. There's a lot of bad information on the Internet and sometimes that's worst than restricted information.
 
From an IT Professional perspective free is the thing you watch out the most for. Free Software is the easiest way for me to get you to install software that allows me to hack into your computer. Open Source does not mean more secure.

Seems like their is a misunderstanding about OSS open source and what it means vrs closed source

OSS’s transparency and community-driven development model provide significant advantages in identifying and addressing security risks.

Closed-source software, proprietary software, keeps the source code private.
Only the software’s creators or authorized parties can view, modify, or distribute it.
 
As for AI, it is an important thing to look at, it can be used for good things, which it has proven, but it had already proven it can be used for bad things too.
This will always be the case because Good and Bad are abstract concepts. What's good for me is bad for my opponent. What's good for my opponent is bad for me. Ai doesn't understand this. Ai will try to seek out a win-win.
 
Seems like their is a misunderstanding about OSS open source and what it means vrs closed source

OSS’s transparency and community-driven development model provide significant advantages in identifying and addressing security risks.

Closed-source software, proprietary software, keeps the source code private.
Only the software’s creators or authorized parties can view, modify, or distribute it.
Ask Ai this question "what are the major security issues for deepseek" then ask the same about Copilot.

It should give you examples for each.

Also ask what do hackers say about copilot and about deepseek.
 
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One of the things I do with copilot is to see if I can get around certain things. Like when it tells me thst it can't read what is on the website but I ask who is participating in the discussion, it gives me what it claims it could not see.

Like it was mentioned Ai is still young.
 
My rule for things like this have always been a business approach. What is the law of the land. What is the government allowed to do. If you don't like the laws of that government then don't use their stuff or do business there.

By default the US and UK will not be open to software from China. China will not be open to software from the US. The laws contradict in certain areas. That's just a reality. I'm not sure where US laws stands these days. Lots of unusual things going on. It's not clear how it will have an effect on ai.
I'm not an expert on AI but as I understand it Deepseek is an LLM (Large Language Model), a type of AI able to process and generate human language (like the models used by ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, Copilot, etc.). Those algorithms have the capacity to process massive amounts of data and have been trained by feeding them large amounts of text. An extreme simplification of this process would be to tell the AI a million times that the correct response to "hi, how are you?" is "I'm fine mate, how 'bout ya?". At the end, if I say "hi, how are you?", the AI will write an answer based on the responses that have received the most "correct" ratings. It does not think, it just puts together pieces of sentences in the order that is the most probably correct. And I will get my answer: "I'm fine, mate, how 'bout ya?". That's why LLMs can have "hallucinations" and write answers that don't make sense, because they're fundamentally guessing the most probable answer. For example, here is me asking ChatGPT to summarize a book that does not exist:

- Me: Give me a one paragraph summary of the book "How I became a vegan" by Sebastian W. Grunenfeld, as well as its citation in APA style.

- ChatGPT: "How I Became a Vegan" by Sebastian W. Grunenfeld chronicles the author’s personal journey of transitioning to a vegan lifestyle. In the book, Grunenfeld reflects on the ethical, environmental, and health-related reasons that led him to make this significant change. He discusses the challenges, misconceptions, and emotional experiences that accompanied his decision to adopt veganism, offering insight into the broader societal shift toward plant-based living. Through this narrative, Grunenfeld encourages readers to consider the moral implications of their food choices while providing practical advice for those interested in adopting a vegan diet.

Citation in APA style: Grunenfeld, S. W. (2009). How I became a vegan. Vegan Press.

The main risk with AI is allowing it to process sensitive data in ways that threaten fundamental rights and freedoms (e.g. conduct surveillance on political/business opponents or vulnerable minorities; manipulate information on a large scale to support a particular political narrative by, say, influencing search engine results; etc.).

AI is unparalleled at recognizing patterns from massive amounts of unorganized data. For example, it's already possible for some data brokers to have a precise idea of your tastes and stance on specific issues; the people you regularly meet; the places you visit; etc. Social media and search engine algorithms have been using that for years to show you contents with which they want you to interact (e.g. ads for products that fit your tastes so you're more likely to buy; or content that's likely to provoke an emotional reaction in you so that you click/comment and engage more with the platform, which means that you'll spend more time on it and see more ads). One can think of other creative ways to use the intel: I can determine with whom my political rival has an affair and when they meet, so that I can get kompromat on him (bonus points if he's, say, a closeted homosexual). Or I can identify somebody in a particular position who's got debts and a close relative with cancer, so I can make an offer that he can't refuse. Heck, if I'm unpopular with red-headed people (or if I just don't like them), I can systematically underfund the hospitals in which they get treatment and ensure they're more worried about their own health than about me.

That's why it would be concerning if somebody fed sensitive data such as financial or medical information; payments; social security numbers; etc. to an algorithm without control nor accountability. That risk is present in China but it's not the only country with advanced AI technology and failing democratic checks and balances.
 
Ask Ai this question "what are the major security issues for deepseek" then ask the same about Copilot.

It should give you examples for each.

Also ask what do hackers say about copilot and about deepseek.

Already did. Satisfied with the answers I got..

The difference with deep seek is that others can tell if something has been changed. Because it’s open source.

The other platforms because their proprietary one will never know and can not tell what is being done or how.

You seem to be making a case when there is no case to be made .

One should pay attention to what has been done, rather than what people say they can do .


That's why it would be concerning if somebody fed sensitive data such as financial or medical information; payments; social security numbers; etc. to an algorithm without control nor accountability. That risk is present in China but it's not the only country with advanced AI technology and failing democratic checks and balances.

And you don’t think those organizations don’t use something similar if not the same to do it anyway ?

There is a difference between things that are done for the people as what is being done now and things that are done to the people as what is being dismantled now.

What you call lack of Democratic checks and balances referencing China is merely a different form of government that seems to be working for the governed in those countries .

With all the mention of China, being the bogeyman, this thread is seemingly becoming political .

Is that the purpose of it ?
 
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Already did. Satisfied with the answers I got..

The difference with deep seek is that others can tell if something has been changed. Because it’s open source.

The other platforms because their proprietary one will never know and can not tell what is being done or how.

You seem to be making a case when there is no case to be made .

One should pay attention to what has been done, rather than what people say they can do .




And you don’t think those organizations don’t use something similar if not the same to do it anyway ?

There is a difference between things that are done for the people as what is being done now and things that are done to the people as what is being dismantled now.

What you call lack of Democratic checks and balances referencing China is merely a different form of government that seems to be working for the governed in those countries .

With all the mention of China, being the bogeyman, this thread is seemingly becoming political .

Is that the purpose of it ?
If you read well, although I did mention China, I was actually referring to another country. And although I tried my best to stick to a technical and abstract discussion, I'm afraid this can quickly veer into politics.
 
I tried to have CoPilot summarize a book that doesn't exist. It couldn't find it and stated that I might be referring to another book.

When I say Ai "thinks" I'm using it very loosely. It appears that it does more than just put things together. Looking at how it analyzed the pictures would suggest that there is more going on.

I try to squeeze all that I can out of Ai from the perspective of "This Ai doesn't work" But I also use Ai to see what it can figure out. I think it has trouble reading HTML as we see it displayed. If I copy our discussions and placed it in word after cleaning up the alignment differences, then put it into copilot, I would get a better analysis.
 
If you read well, although I did mention China, I was actually referring to another country. And although I tried my best to stick to a technical and abstract discussion, I'm afraid this can quickly veer into politics.

agree 👍

maybe start with a simple question. "what is deep seek"
"why are AI models important today"

 
Friendly advice re AI: it can be useful as a tool but please* don't outsource your thinking to an algorithm and do check your sources.



*really, for the love of God, please.
 
Friendly advice re AI: it can be useful as a tool but please* don't outsource your thinking to an algorithm and do check your sources.



*really, for the love of God, please.

👍

lets hope your able to take your own advice....


Care to offer any "approved sources" the ones you agree with of course 🙂
 
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I was simply going back to the original topic by giving a piece of general advice on AI, I wasn't specifically referring to your last post.

As for the rest, hard to discuss this without being political, or making Winnie the Pooh references. (I'm being sassy ;) but no offense meant to you!)
 
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