Ai tips and Tricks with a dash of martial arts.

[JowGaWolf]

I'm not sure how many people will like or use Ai, but I'm creating this thread to help others get the most out of Ai when it comes to research and general Ai use. I only use CoPilot because it integrates with Microsoft Edge and because of Microsoft's desire to have an Ai that has accurate responses. Microsoft also train's their Ai to help recognize the tone in which people type and read, thanks to Microsoft Word.

DO NOT USE DEEPSEEK. DeepSeek is the new Ai from China. If people are concerned about US ai platforms like CoPilot,, the DeepSeek is going to be much worse. First looks at DeepSeek found that hackers can input code into DeepSeek for hacking purposes. China is a Communist Country and they will do Communist Things. It's like asking a duck not to be a duck.

I didn't think about it until I started writing this post, but maybe Ai can help generate new Martial Arts topics. I'll give it a try. Will it be a hit or miss?

 

[windwalker099]

DO NOT USE DEEPSEEK.

I use Deepseek among others.

AI, in general, is interesting. Of course, it helps when one has experience or knowledge about the subject being discussed to determine whether the answers make sense. It's important to keep both a critical and open mind.

Like any tool, the output depends on the user.
Find that it often brings up interesting angles to inquiries,
pretty good for translations.

Having lived in China and Taiwan for a while, we may have different views on China..

 

[JowGaWolf]

I use Deepseek among others.

Nooooooo. say it ain't so. Deepseek isn't going to be even less reliable. The irony is that Ai really requires accurate information and that's one thing that Communist Countries have a skill set in covering up. Those countries like to shape the narrative suppressing information. Things like that work for political purposes but not so much for Ai. You'll just end up with Ai telling you how great a driver you are while you are driving off the clip.

Ai is a prime example of garbage in and garbage out. Making Ai think like humans is a good example of garbage in and garbage out.

Of course, it helps when one has experience or knowledge about the subject being discussed to determine whether the answers make sense. It's important to keep both a critical and open mind.

I agree with you 1000%. When I started using Ai to help me learn about buying stocks. At the minimum I have enough information where I can say that something doesn't sound correct., which is better than me not knowing at all. At most I want Ai to be good with analyzing because then it may pick up some bits of information or perspectives that I may over look.

 

[windwalker099]

Nooooooo. say it ain't so. Deepseek isn't going to be even less reliable. The irony is that Ai really requires accurate information and that's one thing that Communist Countries have a skill set in covering up. Those countries like to shape the narrative suppressing information. Things like that work for political purposes but not so much for Ai. You'll just end up with Ai telling you how great a driver you are while you are driving off the clip.

Let's try this:
Have you ever lived or worked in those countries for any significant length of time, say over 20 years?

If not, what is your basis of knowledge?

Your use of AI and mine seem to differ...

Deepseek, being Chinese may have some cultural advantages to others that are not...
for translations ect.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

I only use CoPilot ...

DO NOT USE DEEPSEEK.

AI is created by human being. Human being has individual believe.

I wonder what answers you will get from both AI if you ask these questions

1. Is capitalism good or bad?
2. Is socialism good or bad?
3. Is communist good or bad?
4. Is 3 parties system the best system in the world (triangle is the most stable shape)?

 

[JowGaWolf]

Having lived in China and Taiwan for a while, we may have different views on China..

It's not China issue for me. It's more how government tries to handle things. Communist governments are known for restricting information flow. Democratic governments are known for promoting information flow. When a communist country wants to cover something up they restrict information. When a democratic country wants to cover something up then they increase information flow.

In terms of good or bad, I don't see it as either. It's just a method of information control. But when it comes to Ai, you really want the Ai to be accurate. Be it good or bad, you want that information to be as accurate as possible. I was testing Ai in a facebook conversation, and I copied a chat discussion. I asked the Ai if it thought anyone in the conversation was being deceptive. I already felt that someone wasn't being honest. The first time I asked Ai, it told me that no one was being suspicious. So I asked "Well what about this statement." The return response from Ai, was that it didn't originally have that information to go on.

Once it had the information that was missing it saw why I thought there was some deception, and then explained why I was feeling that way. It nailed it 100% flawless. But it also said that it didn't take it as someone intentionally being deceptive. I didn't like that part of the answer but the Ai is correct. Based on the information that was given there was nothing that says it was intentional and that I may feel that it's deception because the person didn't share more experiences which gives the impression that they many have any.

The missing bit of information was about a paragraph long but it was enough to change how it analyzed the conversation. Sometimes leaving out the small bits of information has the biggest effect. But in terms of China. I just look at how information is managed. In terms of the US at the rate that we are going, Unicorns will be real lol. In the US. we have too much information flow and a lot of it is low quality.

 

[windwalker099]

A little confused, are we talking martial arts, AI or the system’s governments used to govern.

Not much interested in debating, what AI one should use or why. Nor what system society’s use to govern themselves. .

 

[JowGaWolf]

Let's try this:
Have you ever lived or worked in those countries for any significant length of time, say over 20 years?

I have not lived in these countries.

If not, what is your basis of knowledge?

My definition is based on how various types of Governments Operate and manage information. For this I use I simply look at what large groups of people complain or protest about and how the Government manages the information from that. Does the government suppress information or does the government add more information? Thine I factor that into how that may affect Ai accuracy. If you want Ai to be of use and to give the best analysis, then what information pool will give you the distance.

For me it's simple. If Ai is going to shoot an apple off my head, then what type of information do I want it to have. Too little information the arrow may hit my head. Too much information that's not accurate or built off assumptions and the arrow may hit me in my groin.

But this is where my knowledge comes from. With all of the assumptions that occur in the US, it is no shock to me that CoPilot and Chat GPT would makes assumptions as well.

 

[windwalker099]

I'm not sure how many people will like or use Ai, but I'm creating this thread to help others get the most out of Ai when it comes to research and general Ai use.

A good beginning.
shouldn’t matter what AI one uses

 

[windwalker099]

I have not lived in these countries.

I have.
Our knowledge base is different
Not interested in debating it

 

[Fungus]

I view AI as a tool. But it takes a human to use the tool properly. Using AI to cover up for own stupidity or ignorance is dangerous and could easily lead to strange things.

Google translate is also AI and has been around for long time, so has many other AI. But the LLM models like chatgpt are usually what most poeple think of right now. I tried chatgpt, and i have mostly used it as an "extension of google" to search for information.

With google you can search for specfici information or papers, if you know how to combime search terms.

But with chatgpt you can search multiple papers for collective information and then get assistance with getting advanced summaries from multiple sources; instead of first reading a huge number of papers. And in the end, you can still ask for scientific references, and verify the conclusions on your own. But it can be a time saver. But this requires that one instructs the ai in the right way.

Chatgpt is also a most excellent "support agent" for developers. It does an excellent job in coming up with tentative code. And for some languages, like python, chatgpt often produce excellent quality code. I tried it and have been impressed. That said, baloney enter at times, so there is no escape from checking things on your own. But in the overall process you save LOTS of time.

I think deepseek is good, it has nothing todo with it beeing chineese, but because it has more opensource and as they claim has developed the training to make it less computational intensive. This is good for everyone. And also good for environment.

Reminds me of how europe vs us cars developed. In US gas is cheap, so you just make huge v8 engines, with high power, but with not so great fuel effiency. In europe, the trend was to develop more economic engines, better injection, turbo technolgoy to get more power from less gas.

So if china was force to develop something, with less computational power, that is great.

I love opensource. I never liked to feed the big dragons, microsoft, apple, etc... we need the non-commercial community in software and ai to counterbalance the dragons, and to offer options.

I have used opensource alterantive to the office suite for the last 30 years and it works great.

China is a Communist Country and they will do Communist Things. It's like asking a duck not to be a duck.

Or like expect the market economy to develop good healthcare for everyone.

I dont think the actual deepseek model itself, is the interesting part. The interesting part are the code and training methods used to create the model. As far as I understood alot of this is opensource, so available to all to learn from. Even to openAI.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

I have not lived in these countries.

Some people may say, "If you want to learn how to fight, you should get yourself a gun". When gun is not allowed in a country, MA training have great value.

 

[JowGaWolf]

AI is created by human being. Human being has individual believe.

I wonder what answers you will get from both AI if you ask these questions

1. Is capitalism good or bad?
2. Is socialism good or bad?
3. Is communist good or bad?
4. Is 3 parties system the best system in the world (triangle is the most stable shape)?

We can try. My guess is that CoPilot Copilot will take a "middle of the road approach as if it's being fair," while avoiding a yes or no response. It will probably list advantages and disadvantages. It will answer the question without answering the question which is on par for a typical American response. To get the "real answer" you would need to start by "pruning the response" and limiting the choices.

If you are going to ask Ai those questions and you want a one word response then you should word it like this. "Answer this question and you can only choose good or bad as the answer. Is capitalism good or bad?" This way you can get that one word response. But don't just accept it as "the answer" Your next question to Ai should be "Why do you say that it's bad/ good?"

From there you want to ask Ai "What information did you use to come to this conclusion?" I will also encourage to disagree with the Ai if necessary.

I asked Copilot using the methods above if capitalism is good or bad? It said Good I ask the same about communism, and it said Bad. Neither are the responses that I would want. to that question. Good and Bad are human concepts based on moral values. Ai doesn't have moral values. For me personally I wouldn't ask Ai a question about Good or Bad until I understand how it defines Good or Bad. it's idea of Good and Bad may not be the same as your idea of Good of Bad. Your idea of good and bad is different, then you have to phrase the question in the context of how you see and define Good and Bad.

 

[JowGaWolf]

A little confused, are we talking martial arts, AI or the system’s governments used to govern.

Not much interested in debating, what AI one should use or why. Nor what system society’s use to govern themselves. .

You can talk about Ai and martial arts. no matter where the subject goes Country or Martial arts. I'm always going to come back to the quality of information. Garbage in Garbage out. The quality and quantity of information that you give Ai is going to matter.

If you leave Ai to gather whatever information, then you will get some wild stuff. Like I was saying in the other Threat Ai WILL MAKE ASSUMPTIONS. The key is to ask questions in the way that it gives it enough information not to make assumptions. That's why I wouldn't ask and don't ask Ai about Good or Bad. I already know it's going to base those on an assumptions that was fed to it. For those who like to debate they can debate Ai on that to see if you can trip it up. What's good for one country may be bad for another, Does that make one country Good or Bad? Keep nailing it with questions like that.

I did that with a debate about superman and batman and who can beat who. The only real benefit of asking ai about Good and Bad is that you'll have a good look at the limitations of it and how those limitations affect how it responds.


In Terms of Martial Arts and Ai. I haven't found a way to correctly ask Ai about martial arts. This is the best that I could get from it. It gave me some counter options and combinations options as well

 

[JowGaWolf]

Update

You can talk about Ai and martial arts. no matter where the subject goes Country or Martial arts. I'm always going to come back to the quality of information. Garbage in Garbage out. The quality and quantity of information that you give Ai is going to matter.

If you leave Ai to gather whatever information, then you will get some wild stuff. Like I was saying in the other Threat Ai WILL MAKE ASSUMPTIONS. The key is to ask questions in the way that it gives it enough information not to make assumptions. That's why I wouldn't ask and don't ask Ai about Good or Bad. I already know it's going to base those on an assumptions that was fed to it. For those who like to debate they can debate Ai on that to see if you can trip it up. What's good for one country may be bad for another, Does that make one country Good or Bad? Keep nailing it with questions like that.

I did that with a debate about superman and batman and who can beat who. The only real benefit of asking ai about Good and Bad is that you'll have a good look at the limitations of it and how those limitations affect how it responds.


In Terms of Martial Arts and Ai. I haven't found a way to correctly ask Ai about martial arts. This is the best that I could get from it. It gave me some counter options and combinations options as well

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Update on this one. I went back to be more specific. The defenses where were the same but my Counter attacks weren't. Here's what I asked.


Here's what I got.

Here's the situation. I'm Sparring with my sparring partner. I train Jow Ga and my partner trains Muay Thai. We are in a mirrored stance. He throws a lead punch. What are my options to deal with the lead punch?

copilot response:
In this scenario, you have a variety of options to effectively deal with your partner's lead punch while taking into account both Jow Ga and Muay Thai techniques. Here are some strategies:

Defensive Options:​

1. Parry: Use your rear hand to parry the lead punch, redirecting it away from your centerline.
2. Slip: Move your head slightly to the outside of the punch to avoid it, while staying in a position to counterattack.
3. Block: Use your lead hand to block the punch, keeping your guard up to protect against follow-up attacks.
4. Step Back: Quickly step back to create distance and avoid the punch, then reset your position.

Counterattack Options:​

1. Jow Ga Techniques:
   
   • Gwa Choi (Back Fist Strike): After slipping or parrying, counter with a gwa choi to your opponent's head or body.
   • Chop Choi (Uppercut Punch): If you slip to the outside, counter with a chop choi to your opponent's midsection or chin.
2. Muay Thai Techniques:
   
   • Teep (Front Push Kick): After avoiding the punch, use a teep to create distance and disrupt your opponent's balance.
   • Roundhouse Kick: If you parry or slip the punch, counter with a lead or rear leg roundhouse kick to your opponent's body or legs.

Combination Options:​

1. Parry and Gwa Choi: Parry the lead punch and immediately counter with a gwa choi.
2. Slip and Chop Choi: Slip the punch and counter with a chop choi.
3. Block and Roundhouse Kick: Block the punch with your lead hand and counter with a roundhouse kick to your opponent's body or legs.
4. Step Back and Teep: Step back to avoid the punch and then counter with a teep to maintain distance and control the pace of the sparring match.

By combining defensive maneuvers with effective counterattacks, you can create openings and maintain control during your sparring session. Practice these techniques to build muscle memory and improve your ability to respond effectively in different situations.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Update

Update on this one. I went back to be more specific. The defenses where were the same but my Counter attacks weren't. Here's what I asked.


Here's what I got.

Here's the situation. I'm Sparring with my sparring partner. I train Jow Ga and my partner trains Muay Thai. We are in a mirrored stance. He throws a lead punch. What are my options to deal with the lead punch?

copilot response:
In this scenario, you have a variety of options to effectively deal with your partner's lead punch while taking into account both Jow Ga and Muay Thai techniques. Here are some strategies:

Defensive Options:​

1. Parry: Use your rear hand to parry the lead punch, redirecting it away from your centerline.
2. Slip: Move your head slightly to the outside of the punch to avoid it, while staying in a position to counterattack.
3. Block: Use your lead hand to block the punch, keeping your guard up to protect against follow-up attacks.
4. Step Back: Quickly step back to create distance and avoid the punch, then reset your position.

Counterattack Options:​

1. Jow Ga Techniques:
   • Gwa Choi (Back Fist Strike): After slipping or parrying, counter with a gwa choi to your opponent's head or body.
   • Chop Choi (Uppercut Punch): If you slip to the outside, counter with a chop choi to your opponent's midsection or chin.
2. Muay Thai Techniques:
   • Teep (Front Push Kick): After avoiding the punch, use a teep to create distance and disrupt your opponent's balance.
   • Roundhouse Kick: If you parry or slip the punch, counter with a lead or rear leg roundhouse kick to your opponent's body or legs.

Combination Options:​

1. Parry and Gwa Choi: Parry the lead punch and immediately counter with a gwa choi.
2. Slip and Chop Choi: Slip the punch and counter with a chop choi.
3. Block and Roundhouse Kick: Block the punch with your lead hand and counter with a roundhouse kick to your opponent's body or legs.
4. Step Back and Teep: Step back to avoid the punch and then counter with a teep to maintain distance and control the pace of the sparring match.

By combining defensive maneuvers with effective counterattacks, you can create openings and maintain control during your sparring session. Practice these techniques to build muscle memory and improve your ability to respond effectively in different situations.

The problem with this is that Ai doesn't have enough fight information to go beyond the basics. It also confuses the techniques.

What is a pow choi in Jow Ga kung fu?

In Jow Ga Kung Fu, the Pow Choi (also known as Pao Choy or Leopard Fist) is a striking technique characterized by its speed and precision. It's an uppercut-like punch that targets the opponent's midsection or chin, often delivered with a whipping motion to generate power and surprise.

The Pow Choi is designed to be quick and deceptive, making it an effective counterattack move in sparring and self-defense situations. It's a versatile technique that can be used to disrupt an opponent's balance and create openings for further attacks.

Would you like to know more about how to execute the Pow Choi or other techniques in Jow Ga Kung Fu?

But the youtube title says that the Pao Choy is a uppercut?

You're right! The Pao Choy (or Pow Choy) in Jow Ga Kung Fu is indeed often referred to as an uppercut. It's a powerful upward strike aimed at the opponent's chin or midsection, designed to disrupt their balance and create openings for further attacks.

Thanks for pointing that out! Do you practice this technique often?

then why did you say it was a leopard fist?

I apologize for the confusion earlier. The term "Pow Choi" in Jow Ga Kung Fu generally refers to an uppercut-like punch, while the "Leopard Fist" (or "Bao Choi") uses a specific hand formation resembling a leopard's paw for striking.

In this context, Pow Choi is indeed an uppercut strike aimed at the opponent's midsection or chin.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

We are in a mirrored stance. He throws a lead punch. ...
Defensive Options:

1. Parry: Use your rear hand to parry the lead punch, redirecting it away from your centerline.

This does not sound right.

- You have right side forward. Your opponent has left side forward (mirro stance).
- Your opponent throws his left leading hand punch.
- You should parry with your leading arm because it's closer to your opponent's left leading arm.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Some people may say, "If you want to learn how to fight, you should get yourself a gun". When gun is not allowed in a country, MA training have great value.

Martial Arts skill is still good to have. People walk with guns where I live and I see all the ways I could attack them and they will never get a chance to use their gun. This is the norm for Dekalb County Georgia. I'm not sure where this video is, but I've heard at least 10 cases where someoen had a gun and criminals stole it. This is also the opportunity that I see when I see people with guns. Had this guy had martial arts skills then these guys wouldn't have stolen the gun and then use the gun on his friends.

Since this is Ai. I typed in a question to see what it picked up. I'm not sure if I asked the question correcly or not.

Ai is it common to hear that criminals take guns away from other people?

Yes, it is relatively common for criminals to take guns away from others. There are several ways this can happen:

1. Theft: Criminals may steal guns from individuals, vehicles, or homes.
2. Robbery: Guns can be taken directly from their owners through force or threat.
3. Illegal Purchases: Some criminals acquire guns through illegal transactions, often involving straw purchasers who buy guns on behalf of someone who cannot legally do so.
4. Social Connections: Studies have shown that criminals often obtain guns through personal connections, such as family or acquaintances.

These methods highlight the importance of responsible gun ownership and security measures to prevent unauthorized access to firearms.

I asked ai a couple of different ways and it still couln't refer me to that video. I probably need to ask it in a different way.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Ai does an excellent job with things that involve math, science, and money, and asking common expertise questions.

If you can copy and paste a conversation into Ai then it can give some good insight on if someone trying to be deceptive and it will give examples of it, if you ask. The more conversation exhanges the be better it will do. I know CoPilot can read documents, so If I were to try this now, I would probably copy and past a thread in a word document. Then save that word document as a pdf and upload it to CoPilot.

You can use it to get an general idea about those terms fo agreements that people never read. I usualy just ask itf there is anything in the document that I should be concerned with or aware of and Ai will point out things that it believes people should be aware of but may over looks. If it's in a pdf then CoPilot can point you to the page. I'm not sure if it's able to point to the paragraph. I'll have to give that a try.

 

[JowGaWolf]

I use Deepseek among others

Since you use DeepSeek. How do you like it so far. Have there been anything that the ai does differently?