If the bar has pool tables then there will be pool sticks you can use as weapons should the need arise.
She could've kept a tire iron in her car, that way she could say she had it for changing tires, but it could also be used as a weapon should the need arise.
What are you surprised by?
Especially with guns. There is a very cookie cutter expectation when it comes to trained gunfighters
That’s pretty far from the truth. It’s because he posted something regarding ballistics he was told and it doesn’t jive with reality. My surprise was because if you have that much experience you likely should know that’s not how it works.
Yeah I know you and Steve have strong feelings, not very stoic is it?
That you ought to know better.
That handguns have less power than rifles and shotguns? That is reality and somebody doesn't even need an extensive background in firearms to know that. Rifles and shotguns are larger and more powerful than handguns and anybody who knows what a rifle, a shotgun, and a handgun is would know that. Handguns are made for portability and conceal-ability not for power the way rifles and shotguns are.
That is true, most people who do own guns for self defense will probably never fire them in self defense in their lifetime, and if you're smart you wouldn't want to be in a situation where it would come to that.
I don’t think anyone disagrees that high powered rifles and high gauge shotguns are more powerful than handguns. I believe the essence of the disagreement regarded the complexity of ammo type and the associated damage.
It’s more nuanced than that. But I’m not interested in arguing with you or anyone about this.
Ehh…apples and oranges. Rifle rounds make a bigger hole at bigger distance. Shotguns make many holes.
Well I’m not one and have never been one and hope to never end up in a gunfight.
I think the issue is expectation management. People assume that a .30 caliber round will reduce the threat immediately, while something like 9mm will not. LEOs involved in use of force and medical professionals that have experience dealing with GSW will tell you that humans are complex. There are no guarantees. Again, shot placement and bullet type are the most important factors.
Somebody with more experience than me said “ handguns make holes in people, rifles make holes through people, shotguns, with the right distance and ammo take chunks off people”. That’s a similar simplification to what photon said. It contains some truth, but could also be completely false depending on circumstances such as ammunitio, distance to target, shot placement, barrel length, clothing worn by the target, and a host of other details. I haven’t shot any people, but i have treated a significant number of various types of gunshot wounds in the operating room. I have seen what happens on the outside as well as the inside. I have seen people die in front of me from gunshot wounds on several occasions. I hunted with my grandfather extensively as a kid. I’ve been a shooter for over 4 decades. I’m no gunfighter, but neither am I inexperienced.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but gunfighting in principle, is not so different from say…boxing?. Covering fire? Jabbing, fakes. Moving to cover/concealment? Stepping offline, covering.
A gunfighter who doesn’t fight isn’t a gunfighter, so you know this because you are a gunfighter who gunfights? …It may be time to avoid any more concussions.
If your rifle is making holes THROUGH people, I would think that presents an over penetration issue.
