5 reasons TaeKwonDo as a system (not individual techniques) breaks down in a Muay Thai ring

[Gnarlie]

Do you even understand what he's saying? One question would clear it up - but you refuse to ask it.

We've been around this loop before with Axiom under other usernames. He doesn't understand what DK is. He'll post a Wikipedia link about it, but he is unable to see or concede that it applies to him rather than the people he is talking to here.

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[DaveB]

How is it that Joe Rogan after 10+ years and championship titels forms the exact same opinion?

1. That is not an answer to the question I asked.

I wanted to know why you are lacking in such basic skills that most kids figure out independent of instruction.
2. Who cares what Joe Rogan thinks? I've been and done

I won't give you or that other dude any videos. I've got nothing to prove to either of you.

Actually your claims are counter to the experiences of a bunch of people far more experienced than you. Everything you say at this point requires proof.

 

[drop bear]

In your experience to date.

If you truly and deeply understand the system, you can apply it in any situation.

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That's a cop out.

So if the system works it is because the system. If it doesn't it is because you did not understand the system.

The system is never at fault.

 

[drop bear]

The headgear combined with mouthpieces do well enough in protecting from major trauma when eating a kick or hitting the floor.

However, it does allow repeated blunt force trauma to the head. It allows you to take more damage than your brain normally would before it shuts you off. Which is not good and is the main danger in boxing a lot with that type of headgear.

In olympic tkd these repeated blows to the head in quick succession are not as much of an issue.

Anecdotally some padding is a lot better than no padding. Bare shin in face sucks.

 

[drop bear]

I don't recall him or dirty dog (who commented with 45+ experience) stating they only do no contact sparring. In fact, I'm pretty sure dirty dog stated he has done full contact in the past.

RTKDCMB does no contact. Did a thread on it here about how there is no difference between non contact and full contact.

Dirty dog does do contact apparently. And also actually fights people in real time. And I would imagine are two very different TKD fighters.

The issue you have is non contact emphasizes techniques that full contact doesn't.

There a definitely TKD schools out there that do not produce fighters. I have seen them and they just fill people full of black belts and hope. There are schools out there that produce kick boxing champions.

Effective hands is definitely an indicator of a school that will produce fighters and a school that doesn't.

This even comes out in kyukoshin where even if they are full contact trained face punching can mess them up.

 

[Axiom]

That's a cop out.

So if the system works it is because the system. If it doesn't it is because you did not understand the system.

The system is never at fault.

And hypocritical since he has himself crosstrained in boxing.

 

[Axiom]

Anecdotally some padding is a lot better than no padding. Bare shin in face sucks.

You can condition that in no time.

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf]

We've been around this loop before with Axiom under other usernames. He doesn't understand what DK is. He'll post a Wikipedia link about it, but he is unable to see or concede that it applies to him rather than the people he is talking to here.

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What other usernames has he used? Isn't that against one of the terms/procedures on this site?

 

[Gnarlie]

That's a cop out.

So if the system works it is because the system. If it doesn't it is because you did not understand the system.

The system is never at fault.

If you are good, it's because you understand and can apply the system. If you are bad, it's because you don't. It's to do with you, not the system. The system is just a tool.

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[RTKDCMB]

You can condition that in no time.

That would certainly explain a lot.

 

[Gnarlie]

And hypocritical since he has himself crosstrained in boxing.

Doesn't mean I can't / don't apply my home system.

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[Gnarlie]

What other usernames has he used? Isn't that against one of the terms/procedures on this site?

Yes, it is. I'll leave it to the mods to figure out.

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[drop bear]

If you are good, it's because you understand and can apply the system. If you are bad, it's because you don't. It's to do with you, not the system. The system is just a tool.

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The system can be a poor tool.

 

[Gnarlie]

The system can be a poor tool.

Yes. But in this case, it is misunderstood.

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[DaveB]

That's a cop out.

So if the system works it is because the system. If it doesn't it is because you did not understand the system.

The system is never at fault.

Because ignore the facts all you want but a system cannot and does not do anything.

The fight is conducted by the person and adapting the system to the individual and the situation is effectively the whole point of TMA.

 

[DaveB]

That's a cop out.

So if the system works it is because the system. If it doesn't it is because you did not understand the system.

The system is never at fault.

Because ignore the facts all you want but a system cannot and does not do anything.

The fight is conducted by the person and adapting the system to the individual and the situation is effectively the whole point of TMA.

As to poor tools, a punch is a punch a kick is a kick, how you train them determines their effectiveness.

 

[drop bear]

Yes. But in this case, it is misunderstood.

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Or it can be a terrible system.

 

[drop bear]

Because ignore the facts all you want but a system cannot and does not do anything.

The fight is conducted by the person and adapting the system to the individual and the situation is effectively the whole point of TMA.

As to poor tools, a punch is a punch a kick is a kick, how you train them determines their effectiveness.

They are not facts. And if a system has no function they would be interchangeable and have equal results.

A system that teaches you to swim would be equal to a system that teaches you to ride a horse depending on how you train it.

If I said pink swimming clothes provide the same benefit as pink horse riding clothes. So the color pink has no function. That would be what you are trying to argue here.

A punch taught badly is a bad punch. Even if that bad punch is trained diligently it is still a bad punch.

 

[Axiom]

A punch taught badly is a bad punch. Even if that bad punch is trained diligently it is still a bad punch.

That's not the problem. The problem is the dynamic elements of boxing, especially defence, that a TKD system does not adress unless the trainer knows boxing. Boxing defence is a science onto itself. Anyone who claims otherwise and think they're fine based on forms has not sparred high level kickboxers

 

[drop bear]

That's not the problem. The problem is the dynamic elements of boxing, especially defence, that TKD does not adress unless the trainer knows boxing. Boxing defence is a science onto itself. Anyone who claims otherwise and think they're fine based on forms have not sparred high level kickboxers.

Absolutely. You are not going to magically pick up the concepts of boxing by just training whatever hard or being athletic.

MMA and even kickboxing was a prime example of this. Nobody got toweled up by a thai guy and leg kicks, went back to the gym and decided it was because they hadn't trained their TKD hard enough. They went out and found out how these guys set up their kicks.

 

[RTKDCMB]

Anyone who claims otherwise and think they're fine based on forms has not sparred high level kickboxers

You are assuming the training for defense is based solely on forms.