5 reasons TaeKwonDo as a system (not individual techniques) breaks down in a Muay Thai ring

[Gerry Seymour]

And greed causes technically unqualified students to become black belts, then instructors, and in turn teaching degraded forms of "TaeKwondo" to the new generation consistent of watered down, kidfriendly nonsense

You're still making statements without doing two things important to swaying others:

1) Showing some sort of evidence that supports what you are stating as fact.

2) Showing how the effect is pervasive enough to be a significant problem.

I'm not saying your statements aren't true. I'm saying you haven't made any sort of case for them being either true or important to the overall effect you started this thread about.

 

[TrueJim]

And what, precisely, has this to do with your statement?

I can show you examples of corrupt shift managers at fast food restaurants.

That's actually a piece of Star Wars trivia that most people aren't aware of. Most Sith Lords are actually recruited from the ranks of fast food shift managers.

#starwars #powercorrupts #curlyfries #axiomisclueless

 

[Axiom]

May I enquire how military combat situations (which some TKD schools supposedly train) is relevant for a civilian citizens taking TKD classes?

 

[Axiom]

May I enquire how military combat situations (which some TKD schools supposedly train) is relevant for a civilian citizens taking TKD classes?

 

[Gerry Seymour]

May I enquire how military combat situations (which some TKD schools supposedly train) is relevant for a civilian citizens taking TKD classes?

May I enquire what that has to do with the fragmented discussion at hand?

 

[Axiom]

May I enquire what that has to do with the fragmented discussion at hand?

It was raised in defence of TaeKwondo (potentially) failing in a ring or on the street against the same Muay Thai pro.

 

[TrueJim]

May I enquire how military combat situations (which some TKD schools supposedly train) is relevant for a civilian citizens taking TKD classes?

And while we're at it, could somebody please explain to me how wearing ballet slippers, a loincloth, and a fez is supposed to improve your 360 roundhouse? Because honestly, it seems counter-intuitive to me.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

It was raised in defence of TaeKwondo (potentially) failing in a ring or on the street against the same Muay Thai pro.

You didn't quote a post, so I can't see the line of reasoning.

 

[Martial D]

You didn't quote a post, so I can't see the line of reasoning.

Do you really expect 'reasoning' at this point in the thread? Really?

 

[TrueJim]

You didn't quote a post, so I can't see the line of reasoning.

You're not supposed to. You've fallen into his trap! Save yourself! Turn back while you can!

It's from back when we were making fun Axiom's idea of a "respectful" no-holds-barred street fight where you and another chap agree to fight - but in a respectful way - in a no-holds-barred fight, except with all kinds of rules that Axiom made up to make it respectful, but, you know...no-holds-barred.

Yah, I know.

Basically Axiom was trying to make the point that if one muay thai fighter won against some other guy in a cage, that same fighter would probably also win out on the street against the same opponent, as long as the rules weren't that different from, you know: a cage.

Yah, I know.

So it was pointed out that what happens in a REAL street fight (grab a tire iron and wallop somebody) is not a lot like what happens in combat (sneak up and stab people in the throat) which is not a lot like what happens in a cage. But people who like cage fights like to pretend that cage fights are realistically representative of real-world violence. Invariably this notion is held by people who've never actually seen real-world violence.

 

[Axiom]

You're not supposed to. You've fallen into his trap! Save yourself! Turn back while you can!

It's from back when we were making fun Axiom's idea of a "respectful" no-holds-barred street fight where you and another chap agree to fight - but in a respectful way - in a no-holds-barred fight, except with all kinds of rules that Axiom made up to make it respectful, but, you know...no-holds-barred.

Yah, I know.

Basically Axiom was trying to make the point that if one muay thai fighter won against some other guy in a cage, that same fighter would probably also win out on the street against the same opponent, as long as the rules weren't that different from, you know: a cage.

Yah, I know.

So it was pointed out that what happens in a REAL street fight (grab a tire iron and wallop somebody) is not a lot like what happens in combat (sneak up and stab people in the throat) which is not a lot like what happens in a cage. But people who like cage fights like to pretend that cage fights are realistically representative of real-world violence. Invariably this notion is held by people who've never actually seen real-world violence.

You referenced military combat defences and I never got around to ask you why on earth any civilian citizen with no ambitions to join the military would have any use for that stuff.

 

[Axiom]

Show me an equivalent comment to this about Muay Thai:

"As someone who has done taekwondo throughout my teen years (5+), and spent a few years teaching, I can tell you it is a fuckin joke. Most schools, even if they call themselves traditional, are total garbage and do not teach adequate self defense. Would not recommend unless you are just doing it for sport/fun and doing olympic style.

I got to a pretty advanced level at 2nd dan- could do 540 hook kicks and more flashy kicks, and could also beat up on other kids in sparring that somehow had a 4th degree belt. I do not believe this has much real life application. The only chance in a street fight that I would say I have is by unsuspecting head kick or spinning back kick by total surprise- and after the first attempt it's basically useless."

 

[DaveB]

And greed causes technically unqualified students to become black belt, then instructors, in turn teaching degraded forms of "TaeKwondo" as well as watering down the art and making it more kidfriendly

Really?

Can we see an example of this Deadly proto-tkd?

 

[TrueJim]

You referenced military combat defences and I never got around to ask you why on earth any civilian citizen with no ambitions to join the military would have any use for that stuff.

1. You claimed, with little understanding, that a cage fight is representative of real-world violence.

2. I pointed-out that real-world violence is nothing like a cage fight. I used as my examples: (a) military combat, and (b) an attack by gang members on the street.

3. Unable to refute my argument, you changed the subject, just as you've been doing all along, every time you start to lose the debate.

4. In fact, you're still doing it now, because...

5. ...the topic we're discussing now is: which generates more power -- money, or coal-fired power-plants?

 

[Axiom]

1. You claimed, with little understanding, that a cage fight is representative of real-world violence.

2. I pointed-out that real-world violence is nothing like a cage fight. I used as my examples: (a) military combat, and (b) an attack by gang members on the street.

3. Unable to refute my argument, you changed the subject, just as you've been doing all along, every time you start to lose the debate.

4. In fact, you're still doing it now, because...

5. ...the topic we're discussing now is: which generates more power -- money, or coal-fired power-plants?

Not once did I mention a cage fight, it was a ring. That TKD breaks down in MMA goes without saying. No use putting up a thread about it.

 

[Axiom]

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[Axiom]

1. You claimed, with little understanding, that a cage fight is representative of real-world violence.

2. I pointed-out that real-world violence is nothing like a cage fight. I used as my examples: (a) military combat, and (b) an attack by gang members on the street.

3. Unable to refute my argument, you changed the subject, just as you've been doing all along, every time you start to lose the debate.

4. In fact, you're still doing it now, because...

5. ...the topic we're discussing now is: which generates more power -- money, or coal-fired power-plants?

Never once did a mention a cage fight, it was a ring. That TKD breaks down in MMA goes without saying. No use putting up a thread about it.

 

[TrueJim]

Never once did a mention a cage fight, it was a ring. That TKD breaks down in MMA goes without saying. No use putting up a thread about it.

How much profit does your instructor make? You never responded to that question. You said he makes "plenty" but can you give us some idea of what that means?

Like, what kind of car does he drive? Is it expensive? How about his home -- is it a mansion?

See, I can keep changing the topic too. It's fun!

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Show me an equivalent comment to this about Muay Thai:

"As someone who has done taekwondo throughout my teen years (5+), and spent a few years teaching, I can tell you it is a fuckin joke. Most schools, even if they call themselves traditional, are total garbage and do not teach adequate self defense. Would not recommend unless you are just doing it for sport/fun and doing olympic style.

I got to a pretty advanced level at 2nd dan- could do 540 hook kicks and more flashy kicks, and could also beat up on other kids in sparring that somehow had a 4th degree belt. I do not believe this has much real life application. The only chance in a street fight that I would say I have is by unsuspecting head kick or spinning back kick by total surprise- and after the first attempt it's basically useless."

Why do we need to? What would the point be?

 

[Axiom]

How much profit does your instructor make?

A 5th degree black belt costs around 400 US dollars

 

[Axiom]

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[DaveB]

Show me an equivalent comment to this about Muay Thai:

"As someone who has done taekwondo throughout my teen years (5+), and spent a few years teaching, I can tell you it is a fuckin joke. Most schools, even if they call themselves traditional, are total garbage and do not teach adequate self defense. Would not recommend unless you are just doing it for sport/fun and doing olympic style.

I got to a pretty advanced level at 2nd dan- could do 540 hook kicks and more flashy kicks, and could also beat up on other kids in sparring that somehow had a 4th degree belt. I do not believe this has much real life application. The only chance in a street fight that I would say I have is by unsuspecting head kick or spinning back kick by total surprise- and after the first attempt it's basically useless."

You realise that I and others have addressed this kind of thing repeatedly and you have just completely ignored it.

Good Lord, why am I still talking to him.
Why are any of us still talking to Axiom about anything???

 

[Axiom]

You realise that I and others have addressed this kind of thing repeatedly and you have just completely ignored it.

Good Lord, why am I still talking to him.
Why are any of us still talking to Axiom about anything???

No you havent. There was one dude complaining, with zero generated discussion

 

[TrueJim]

A 5th degree black belt costs around 400 US dollars

That's fairly typical.

What kind of car does he drive? Maserati? Ferrari? Lamborghini?