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That ever happen to you?
happened to me.
I mean it goes without saying that, like, the two things in existence mankind is forbidden to ever agree on are MA and pizza toppings, lest the stars fall from the sky and the gods faint with horror, but still............
So I'm browsing MT like usual, which apart from the MMA/TMA arguments that always pop up(tho i dont suppose *any* MA site is immune to those), i love the place.
Yesterday and today were a little different tho, since rather than being a Vs. argument, someone actually posted a thread asking if a happy medium could be found between the two as purely related to self defense. And I'd never seen that before. So I looked. My posts/responses and all others are this thread if you happen to be interested:
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=615776&posted=1#post615776
If you happen not to be interested:
Nutshell:
I offered initial thoughts wondering why it was such an issue since for self defense you need to know what I grouped as 13 different things , of which unarmed single combat was only one, the which you could learn from a school on either side of the argument that had its head on right. It being 1/13 of the equation it seemed to me not to be the one to worry most about.
But the question was about who there used what could be considered TMA and what could also be considered MMA types of drills in their training, at which point, since I now understood, gave them A suggested drill which had both elements that once I have a willing friend I will myself implement.
Then one particular MMAist and one particular TMAist got on board and I don't suppose you need three guesses as to what hapopened over the next few pages.
Something you may have not known about me which might explain some of the viewpoints I now have:
Did you know when I was in my late High school years, competing in a UFC was one of the only things I wanted to do? See, I was at a point then where I too had grown sick of the "McDojos" in my area--I loved MAs but was sick of getting lied to. there being no MMA style gyms near me, the next best thing was a karate/boxing gym which did groundwork, a judo dojo some ways away, and I lived about 20 min. drive from no less than Dick Kimber's kickboxing gym. Meeting him the first time was cool, i'll tell you what. I was the same height as he but not even *half* as wide and I ain't talkin fat neither.
anyhow, for awhile there I tried to train in that general fashion till I found myself workin with this kid who signed up for the same boxing class as me. I thought *I* was a testosterone poisoned 20 year old kid? I had nothing on this kid.
Now, I didn't learn until much later that this kid was already an accessory to murder, but you begin to see where this was heading.
Went right to his head, thought he was big bad man because he knew boxing, whenever someone chamllenged his bullying he'd want to take it out side with gloves( he for some reason never challenged me outside boxing rules--can't imagine why).
Kid was about to go to trial and jail for assisting in killing someone( they said it was manslaughter, unintentional--i dont know), and he very likely KNEW once he got to trial he was cooked, and yet here he was wanting to do nothing but "fight" to gain "respect". I guess some folks just aint wired right.
Anyway, long story short, he served his hitch, got out, jumped himself BACK in for assault again, spent some time under house arrest and who bloody KNOWS what happened after, or if he's even still around. Nothing to help him slam the brakes on when the darkness fell.
I had other physical concerns that derailed my interest in competing (I suffer from both impaired vision and hearing and i got the crazy idea that maybe years and years of whacks to the head wouldn't help either condition, and since then I've been made aware of warning signs that could help me stave off the heart disease and diabetes that my parents have since we caught it early, and it's likely best not to tax them with such a lifestyle, to say nothing of the fact I feel the whole industry has devolved to where I feel I want no part of it anymore anyway even if I WERE still at a competetive age ( almost 30 which as pro atheletes go is post prime or on the way).
But, needless to say watching him doom himself like that took a bucket full of stupid right out of me as concerned true violence and left a bad taste in my mouth for all such displays, and so it probably just became clearer why the current MMA marlketing/reality show/ fan trash talk about "prove it in the cage or it ain't ****" just sets my teeth to grinding some days. I had enough of that watching this diseased life form find out just exactly what "Mr. Tough Man" gets you.
It's like I said, I have a probblem with NEITHER approach to training itself, but I'm just beginning to believe that this rift between them is just not fixable, and I think that's a very sad, wasteful thing....thanks for listening anyway.
happened to me.
I mean it goes without saying that, like, the two things in existence mankind is forbidden to ever agree on are MA and pizza toppings, lest the stars fall from the sky and the gods faint with horror, but still............
So I'm browsing MT like usual, which apart from the MMA/TMA arguments that always pop up(tho i dont suppose *any* MA site is immune to those), i love the place.
Yesterday and today were a little different tho, since rather than being a Vs. argument, someone actually posted a thread asking if a happy medium could be found between the two as purely related to self defense. And I'd never seen that before. So I looked. My posts/responses and all others are this thread if you happen to be interested:
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=615776&posted=1#post615776
If you happen not to be interested:
Nutshell:
I offered initial thoughts wondering why it was such an issue since for self defense you need to know what I grouped as 13 different things , of which unarmed single combat was only one, the which you could learn from a school on either side of the argument that had its head on right. It being 1/13 of the equation it seemed to me not to be the one to worry most about.
But the question was about who there used what could be considered TMA and what could also be considered MMA types of drills in their training, at which point, since I now understood, gave them A suggested drill which had both elements that once I have a willing friend I will myself implement.
Then one particular MMAist and one particular TMAist got on board and I don't suppose you need three guesses as to what hapopened over the next few pages.
Something you may have not known about me which might explain some of the viewpoints I now have:
Did you know when I was in my late High school years, competing in a UFC was one of the only things I wanted to do? See, I was at a point then where I too had grown sick of the "McDojos" in my area--I loved MAs but was sick of getting lied to. there being no MMA style gyms near me, the next best thing was a karate/boxing gym which did groundwork, a judo dojo some ways away, and I lived about 20 min. drive from no less than Dick Kimber's kickboxing gym. Meeting him the first time was cool, i'll tell you what. I was the same height as he but not even *half* as wide and I ain't talkin fat neither.
anyhow, for awhile there I tried to train in that general fashion till I found myself workin with this kid who signed up for the same boxing class as me. I thought *I* was a testosterone poisoned 20 year old kid? I had nothing on this kid.
Now, I didn't learn until much later that this kid was already an accessory to murder, but you begin to see where this was heading.
Went right to his head, thought he was big bad man because he knew boxing, whenever someone chamllenged his bullying he'd want to take it out side with gloves( he for some reason never challenged me outside boxing rules--can't imagine why).
Kid was about to go to trial and jail for assisting in killing someone( they said it was manslaughter, unintentional--i dont know), and he very likely KNEW once he got to trial he was cooked, and yet here he was wanting to do nothing but "fight" to gain "respect". I guess some folks just aint wired right.
Anyway, long story short, he served his hitch, got out, jumped himself BACK in for assault again, spent some time under house arrest and who bloody KNOWS what happened after, or if he's even still around. Nothing to help him slam the brakes on when the darkness fell.
I had other physical concerns that derailed my interest in competing (I suffer from both impaired vision and hearing and i got the crazy idea that maybe years and years of whacks to the head wouldn't help either condition, and since then I've been made aware of warning signs that could help me stave off the heart disease and diabetes that my parents have since we caught it early, and it's likely best not to tax them with such a lifestyle, to say nothing of the fact I feel the whole industry has devolved to where I feel I want no part of it anymore anyway even if I WERE still at a competetive age ( almost 30 which as pro atheletes go is post prime or on the way).
But, needless to say watching him doom himself like that took a bucket full of stupid right out of me as concerned true violence and left a bad taste in my mouth for all such displays, and so it probably just became clearer why the current MMA marlketing/reality show/ fan trash talk about "prove it in the cage or it ain't ****" just sets my teeth to grinding some days. I had enough of that watching this diseased life form find out just exactly what "Mr. Tough Man" gets you.
It's like I said, I have a probblem with NEITHER approach to training itself, but I'm just beginning to believe that this rift between them is just not fixable, and I think that's a very sad, wasteful thing....thanks for listening anyway.
