Yemeni child bride dies of internal bleeding
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Keep it civil.
Big Don
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In Iran, the government executes homosexuals, in Saudi Arabia, they are about to execute a "sorcerer" both practices are legal, and yet, anywhere in the civilized world, BOTH would, and should be condemned.
kaizasosei
Master Black Belt
I don't think you even need that much civilization to see when you are hurting another person. I don't even think you need much civilization to know that a girl of 12 is not even physically mature let alone mentally.
Barbarianism and such ways will actually disguise themselves as culture and civilization. That is why it angers us to hear about this. Naturally, we know that it's all ********. It is hard to even talk about it in a civilized way because it's simply disgusting that people can get off with **** like this. The truth is that this is probably the result of a greedy and harmfull male oriented society.
I always say, you can be raised by wolves or cats, and you'll be like a savage animal. But noone will kill your soul and teach you to hurtfully betray your own heart like ignorant people do. In many ways, you'd be better off if the wolves take you in.
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Barbarianism and such ways will actually disguise themselves as culture and civilization. That is why it angers us to hear about this. Naturally, we know that it's all ********. It is hard to even talk about it in a civilized way because it's simply disgusting that people can get off with **** like this. The truth is that this is probably the result of a greedy and harmfull male oriented society.
I always say, you can be raised by wolves or cats, and you'll be like a savage animal. But noone will kill your soul and teach you to hurtfully betray your own heart like ignorant people do. In many ways, you'd be better off if the wolves take you in.
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Brother John
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wrong.
Our society does QUITE a bit to strive to protect the young. It isn't perfect, there's no way to make is so that NO children get molested/killed. THAT issue lies at the evil in the heart of man, and that knows NO boundaries, cultural / political / geographical...etc. Children are easy prey for those vile enough to prey on them, in our land, Yemen, France.......everywhere.
But our society does NOT condone a practice like this one that resulted in the death of this young CHILD. Sorry, but the comparison you're trying to create falls FAR short and is void of merit.
Our society has in NO way lost the will to protect itself or it's young. Not even close. We do NOT endorse social institutions that lead directly to a child being sexually abused and killed.... not like Yemen.
sorry if that offends you, but there's no avoiding the truth of it.
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Omar B
Senior Master
But are the people who live there ok with it or are they abhorred at the practice? An unjust law can be changed.
I think homosexuals should be given the right to marry, not everyone thinks that way. Many laws and practices are changed over time, maybe this will be this countries wake up call. Till then it's still on the books there and it's their own citizens who have the power to do anything about it.
Blade96
Senior Master
Right on.
I need a little clarification on this post, Omar. Are you saying that, no matter how horrific the practice may be to us, if the people in the area are ok with it we should just accept it as local custom?
Brother John
Senior Master
what I got from Omar's statement is that perhaps there's enough people in Yemen who are just as disgusted with this practice w/in their land/culture as we're expressing here and that it can be overturned after enough outcry.
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John
Thanks, John. From reading one of Bob's postings, legislation was passed to make the minimum age for marriage 17 but was overturned one day later by parlimintary manuevering of the conservative extremists in the government. Sounds like it's gonna take more than a law change to fix the situation.
Omar B
Senior Master
Exactly. If they do something about it then that's great, but maybe they accept this behavior. Or maybe they don't have the political system where they can change things. Just like gay marriage is slowly making it's way around the states.
Brother John
Senior Master
Yes!
Unfortunately, passing a law is one thing....
enforcing it.... that's quite another.
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John
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I'm disgusted by the situation, however, it is up to the people there to demand and force change. I can protest all I want, doesn't matter. Not my country, not my people, not my problem. Cold? Yes. But what else can I do? Demand Obama send in the marines? The Yemeni need to desire this change and make it happen. Otherwise, it's moot.
Most people in the country are illiterate tribesmen, scattered all over the place. TheyÂ’ve been living their lives the same way for millennium. Change almost always comes from within the cities and the educated middle class.
If you really want change in the world develop an educated middle class.
If you really want change in the world develop an educated middle class.
SensibleManiac
Black Belt
Brother, what about the catholic church?
Brother John
Senior Master
They don't condone it. They HAVE, however, systematically covered up a LOT of cases of it. But where and when proof can be found that it has happened I believe that there's been prosecution resulting, in many cases, in the "church" having to pay a LOT of money and be called to task for how they've dealt with it, or sadly....haven't.
So..... again, this is an apples to oranges comparison. Not applicable.
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