Thanks MACaver ya never know! Training would be a good idea! LOL we've only done the caves with the lighted steps and tour guides so far! But my guy also loves bats *shiver* (and vampires -vampfeed- as well)...he'd probably really enjoy it! :asian:MACaver said:Well, if you two ever find yourselves out by my way... I'd be happy to take ya'll somewhere. I'm an instructor for vertical rope techniques and thus can train you (and him if he's not know-how) the how to's and then take ya'll to someplace real purty.