Why I hate Hollywood

shesulsa said:
That's true also - the actors aren't always the one (in fact are rarely the one) to rule the set. Directors, set managers, grip crew, producers ... there's a lot more ego to a closed set than can come from the biggest name.

We also have to remember a couple more things - actors are people with all their flaws and attributes. Some are all right, some are really not ... most are just trying to make a living. When I've been around anyone of celebrity I always try to treat them with respect but as normal people and I don't try to take advantage of the moment to tell him/her how huge a fan I am or how much I I wish I could get an autograph or whatever. They're people trying to live life with everyone staring at them, spying on them, gossiping about them, manipulating them, selling them, buying them ... you name it.

I'd rather someone use their celebrity to speak out in a manner for which they feel responsible to do so (politics, social awareness) than to just flash their booties for ratings and money, barter their children for the next hit and inspire girls to be tramps, tramps, tramps. Last I checked, Whoopi Goldberg, Tom Cruise, hell even Tom Selleck are all American citizens and they have just as much right to speak about what they think is right and wrong with this country as anyone else.
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Yes while doing security and bouncing at places that had some big names or previously were big names, they were people who wanted to get through the night for the most part. Some that were new to it wanted everyone to kiss their ***. They soon found out though that they could get no where if security did let them in or had already escorted them out so now they were in breach of their contract and unable to perform and not get paid. Most places would be like wow get rid of that security guy. I said no problem just do not call me again. Not sure why, but if they were performing they always behaved after that. If they were just visiting, they realized having a number 1 or top ten meant nothing to me and they had to follow the rules just like everyone else. ;)

As to politics, I have no problems with people speaking out. I have a problem with them when they think I am wrong is I disapear. Note: This works with all types who are Political, be they actors or not.
 
I don't understand the obsession with celebs regardless of whether or not they're reinforcing talking points friendly to my political affiliation or not. Just 'cause I liked Jack Sparrow doesn't mean I'm interested, or really even more inclined to listen to Johnny Depp's opinion on much of anything past him commenting on acting.

They attract more attention yeah, but who actually became an environmentalist because Richard Gere said so? Is Tibet free yet? Are we all converted to Scientology because The Cruise jumped on Oprah's couch?
 
Clint Eastwood - Mayor, Carmel California
Ronald Reagan - California Governor, U.S. President
Jesse Ventura - Governor of Minnesota
Glenda Jackson - British Member of Parliament
Fred Thompson - U.S. Senator
Helen Gahagan Douglas - U.S. Congress
George Murphy - U.S. Senate
Sheila Kuehl - California State Senate
Arnold Schwarzenegger - Governor of California
Fred Grandy - U.S. Congress
Ben jones - U.S. Congress
Sonny Bono - U.S. Congress
 
Xue Sheng said:
Clint Eastwood - Mayor, Carmel California
Ronald Reagan - California Governor, U.S. President
Jesse Ventura - Governor of Minnesota
Glenda Jackson - British Member of Parliament
Fred Thompson - U.S. Senator
Helen Gahagan Douglas - U.S. Congress
George Murphy - U.S. Senate
Sheila Kuehl - California State Senate
Arnold Schwarzenegger - Governor of California
Fred Grandy - U.S. Congress
Ben jones - U.S. Congress
Sonny Bono - U.S. Congress
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But... each of them put their money where their mouth is (or was).

And, several of them weren't the loudmouths that many celebrities are prior to their running for office.
 
Marginal said:
I don't understand the obsession with celebs regardless of whether or not they're reinforcing talking points friendly to my political affiliation or not. Just 'cause I liked Jack Sparrow doesn't mean I'm interested, or really even more inclined to listen to Johnny Depp's opinion on much of anything past him commenting on acting.

They attract more attention yeah, but who actually became an environmentalist because Richard Gere said so? Is Tibet free yet? Are we all converted to Scientology because The Cruise jumped on Oprah's couch?
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You know this is a really good way to orient yourself. People are people irregardless of fame, social status, money, position, etc. Just because someone speaks does not mean you have to listen or agree with what is said. Likewise if someone speaks about something we should not ridicule them but instead weigh their words to see if there is any truth in them.
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shesulsa said:
Last I checked, Whoopi Goldberg, Tom Cruise, hell even Tom Selleck are all American citizens and they have just as much right to speak about what they think is right and wrong with this country as anyone else.
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True, true.

So when do You or I get to go on "Good Morning America" or "Access Holywood" and tell everyone what we think, and that they should think like us?

It's one thing, IMO speak about what they think is right and wrong with this country, and another altogether to get on these shows where they ahve a worldwide audience who will listen soley because of their celebrity status and not because they have any kind of informed opinion. (Which some of them do, I am sure... but cmon, we've all seen some doozies come out of Hollywood who think 2+3=Carrot.)
 
Y'know, I still haven't forgiven that rat bastard Wilford Brimley for trying to tell me what kind of oatmeal to eat.
 
QUI-GON said:
Opps. Now that I re-read your post, I see it wasn't Gigli.
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You quoted yourself and said Gigli twice. Hehehe :lol: ;)

Sorry I could not resist.
 
Being influenced by the political views of celebrities makes about as much sense as trusting a fitness video made by Doctor Phil or Jane Fonda. I once saw a televised political panel discussion that included Alanis Morissette. It happened that Alanis Morissette was pretty bright and well-informed, and I liked her in Dogma, but why should I want to listen to her on a political panel?

Having said that, celebrities have as much right to express their opinions as the next guy. You can't claim you want "freedom" but then deny it to anyone who disagrees with you. Of course, you also don't have to buy tickets to their movies. It'll be a cold day in hell before I see a Mel Gibson movie.

Oh, and one more thing. When you earn $20,000,000 for 6 months work on a movie, I'm not going to cry when you find you've forfeited your privacy. Go build a restaurant in your house instead of going out in public.

Gigli. There, I said it.
 
I think most of your have missed my point. No one wants to deny any ones right to free speech. My problem with Hollywood Actors is they travel all over the world, and trash the very country that has made them filty rich and famous.
They have done this for going on seven year, Made there antimilitary, antiamerica movies. Then come back here and say "oh i was miss quoted."
They hear Rosie say 911 was and inside job. They hear hear Robert Redford trash us, over seas like he did this week. They hear all Gore tell the world the United States polutes more than any country in the world, when India and China polute ten times as much as we do.
Of course the rest of the world doesn't hear the retraction".
You can down play it all you want. Actors have tremendous influence on our youth and how the rest of the world sees America.
I was in the Air Force stations in Turkey, when the series Dallas was a hit.
It was Turkey's number one show. You should have heard the questions when I told people I from TEXAS. I have lived over seas three times for years. I know what I'm talking about.
 
Phoenix44 said:
Being influenced by the political views of celebrities makes about as much sense as trusting a fitness video made by Doctor Phil or Jane Fonda. I once saw a televised political panel discussion that included Alanis Morissette.
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Because you are smart enough to seperate those things. While I think Steven Colbert is a bright, well informed man, I think he is a lousy choice for president, but they say that he has a...79%? (it was in the 70's) support of the people... so obviously Celebrity status counts for somthing with the masses.
 
Lord of the Dead said:
Because you are smart enough to seperate those things. While I think Steven Colbert is a bright, well informed man, I think he is a lousy choice for president, but they say that he has a...79%? (it was in the 70's) support of the people... so obviously Celebrity status counts for somthing with the masses.
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There is a lot of truth in that statement. Look at the current governor of California. The 'govenator' was elected by the demographic that votes the least... My (collage age) demographic. His celebrity status made him identifiable. I'm not saying he is good or bad... that for another thread which I'm sure exists already. But I digress. Don't discount the celebrity fanatic faction when thinking about the voting population.
 
Laura Ingram wrote a book a few years ago entitled "Shut up and Sing". That pretty much sums up my opinion of the socio-political opinions of entertainment celebrities.
 
Cryozombie said:
It's one thing, IMO speak about what they think is right and wrong with this country, and another altogether to get on these shows where they ahve a worldwide audience who will listen soley because of their celebrity status and not because they have any kind of informed opinion.
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Seems to me, that if there is a 'worldwide audience', .. who will listen ... "soley because of their celbrity status" and "not because they have any kind of informed opinion" ...

... that blaming Hollywood is pointing the finger of blame in the wrong direction.

Of course, pointing that finger of blame in any other direction, might just involve pointing it in a mirror, and nobody likes to do that.
 
michaeledward said:
Of course, pointing that finger of blame in any other direction, might just involve pointing it in a mirror, and nobody likes to do that.
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Yeah Mike, you know me... I get giggly like a schoolgirl everytime my personal idol Brittney Lohan comes on the screen, and I bow to the box on the wall while chanting "I will obey"

Hey, arent you one of the people who rant all the time about the people who listen to what Hannity has to say and believe him?

Oh, but I'm the hypocrite who should be pointing a finger at myself...
 
Cryozombie said:
Yeah Mike, you know me... I get giggly like a schoolgirl everytime my personal idol Brittney Lohan comes on the screen, and I bow to the box on the wall while chanting "I will obey"

Hey, arent you one of the people who rant all the time about the people who listen to what Hannity has to say and believe him?

Oh, but I'm the hypocrite who should be pointing a finger at myself...
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I'm not certain that the sarcasm is required.

And no, I seldom talk about the people who listen to Hannity (or whomever you choose to substitute). I talk about how Hannity (or Severin or Graham) are not truthful.

That this thread could get to fifty plus posts indicates that there are many people who believe the idea encapsulated in you said. You said it quite succinctly. And to be honest, in the best way for me to include as a quote, and point out the ridiculousness of this argument.

The argument often comes from the right wing / conservative / Republican point of view ... that "hollywood" has undue influence. But, doesn't this supposition run against the conservative point of view. Don't the conservatives tell us that we should all be 'rugged individuals' who practice 'personal responsibility'. If all the 'rugged individuals' all over the world swoon when Natalie Maines tells us she wishes President Bush wasn't from Texas (Texas is not in Hollywood, by the way), those people who believe Ms. Maines are hardly the rugged individual so sought after by the conservative point of view. If the whole world is made up of lemmings, then blame the lemmings.

One more thing ... I can't think of anyone who might more define "Hollywood A list" than someone like Norman Lear. And, this bastard is such a ****ing trader that a couple of years back, he spent eight point two million dollars of his own money to buy one of the few remaining original copies of the Declaration of Independence. And then the selfish ******* sent it on a tour around America, so that we citizens, from all around the country, could see an original copy of the founding of the country. He's such an *******.

See ... I can use sarcasm too.
 
Yet with all the celebrity supporting the left, the few of them supporting the right and the vast sums of money spent by both sides to get their message to the people ... there are still relatively few citizens who exercise their right to vote.

Here is a link to a university research project on voting statistics. If you can decipher the census bureau data, here's that too.

In short, the only states who had at least half of the VEP (Voting Eligible Public) turn out for the 2006 election:

Alaska
Michigan
Minnesota (The highest with 61.3%)
Missouri
Montana
Oregon
Rhode Island
South Dakota
Vermont
Wisconsin
Wyoming

The lowest VEP percentage is the District of Columbia at 28.7%.

So 43.7% of the VEP voted in 2006. Why not the rest? With all the hero-worship and celebrity influence, why can't we get more people to vote?

Less than half the people in the nation are influenced by what they see and hear to get out and vote.

Personally, I think if you haven't been poor, you can't value the plight of the poor. If you've never been famous, you can't pity the famous. If you've never been unwed and pregnant, you can't understand all that this means. If you've never been in charge of people and had to make crucial business decisions, you can't truly value the plight of business. If you never study the Great Depression and how social security and welfare turned our nation around, then you'll never be supportive of SS and Welfare.

One must dig and learn for themselves, plain and simple. However - many people do walk this earth glued to their cel phones, laptops, blackberries, etcetera ... living in their own virtual universe and not aware of their individual significance as part of the whole.

So no matter who is screaming what - half of us feel left out.
 
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