Xue Sheng
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Sadly The Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition is no longer around to save them from themselves and stop their violence by means of torture and execution
Who "crusaded" first, islam or christianity
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Sadly The Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition is no longer around to save them from themselves and stop their violence by means of torture and execution
Sensei Payne
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This sort of thing really isn't debatable...they all attack each other..but they are now all dead and gone..lets move on.
Xue Sheng
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Well there is a difference, when it comes to inspiring people to violence, between "Because God says so" and "For this xyz practical reason".
The former is a lot easier than the latter at stirring up irrational bloodlust. That is until you get to the stage where the political or economic ideology of a nation reaches the same status as a religion (at least in terms of it's overt lip-service). I reckon Stalin's Soviet Union fits that category quite closely i.e. suppressing the mythos-based faiths and replacing them with a State-Divinity, viz the Party, with the leader as it's High Priest.
Sensei Payne
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"I'll come in again!" was a favourite line at university, usually when a seminar position fell apart ignominiously .
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Sensei Payne
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"I'll come in again!" was a favourite line at university, usually when a seminar position fell apart ignominiously
I don't get it...
I have never heard of an Athiest group that went to war...sure Obama claims we are a secular nation, but its mostly christian..so you can't claim that we are an athist nation. If anything most a England is more Athiest than the US.
It was a reference to the Python sketch, SP, not a comment addressing what you'd said.
Xue Sheng
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"I'll come in again!" was a favourite line at university, usually when a seminar position fell apart ignominiously
No worries... I got it
Sensei Payne
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I like the American "Office" better..lol
cdunn
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The unfortunate fact is that nearly any ideology, when pursued without restraint, can justify tremendous violence against the individual. Atheism, in and of itself, is a poor predictor due to the simple fact that it notates only a single point of disbelief - the atheist may subscribe to any of a wide variety of moral or philisophical systems. Stalin and Mao chose... poorly.
While many of us will choose a variant of humanism as a guide, either consciously and deliberately, or from subconscious grasping at a few of the Enlightenment principles still taught in the West, it is not universal, any more than the Christian heresy/theologies of sola scriptura and redemption by faith alone are universal to all Christians.
... And the Holy Lands have been the site of warfare for so long that we can count tit for tat crap back to before we learned how to write. Not good justification for anyone.
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Sensei Payne, the communists went to war and murdered over 100 million people and they didn't do it during a medieval period but in the modern times of then mid-20 century Europe. The chinese, russian, vietnamese, cuban and cambodian communists were atheists and killed a whole bunch of people.
Xue Sheng
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You REALLY have to stop posting things like this, it makes me nervous when you do because I agree with your post :anic: :uhyeah:
The only religious group that never started a war, as far as I know, are Buddhists. However I would need to check that to be sure
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As a way of including a martial arts element into the discussion, although I did Iaido for 6 years before returning to Filipino sword arts, I never really read too much Japanese history. Weren't a lot of the samurai, a rather murderous group of warriors, as much as any other medieval group of warriors, Bhudists to a large extent? The ones who weren't Bhudists were believers in shinto?
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Xue Sheng
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What Elder said
And even if a samurai was Buddhist he was not at war or going to war because he was Buddhist he was at war and happened to be a Buddhist. He was going to war under the flag of the daimyo not under the flag of Buddhism. I guess I am trying to say I have never heard a fundamental Buddhist war or ethnic cleansing rant
I think a point often overlooked is that by the time the Samurai code developed, Japan was at virtual peace and the Samurai largely out of work....
I'm not sure where your getting your info from about the Islam Jihadists and Brutallity and such from such a long time ago.
http://explorethemed.com/reconquista.asp?c=1
But the link above info is "in-line" with all that I've ever heard and further it is widely known that Mulims, Christians and Jews lived as neighbors in peace under Arab rule and even intermarried. Considering nearly all of Spain was conquered it's easy to see that my Spanish ancestors as well as most everyones ancestors with Spanish ancestry lived an Arabic lifestyle and spoke their language. They were conquered which was "the norm" in those days.
After their reconquest it was "our turn." Everybody was conquered at some point.
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