which side are these protestors on?

[billc]

Breitbart and his sites are American rightwing, and conservative but not even close to extremist. Here are a few of the topics on the various sites:

Bighollywood:
-censorship and harvey weinstein
-juliane moore hosts a hunger dinner-
-dish network joins hulu in bidding fray
Bigjournalism:
-Andrew Klavan has a funny video on how to be a political pundit
-the press covers jesse jackson attacking the tea party but ignores past remarks about obama
-NBC Chris Jansing lies about Rick Perry Quote
Biggovernment:
-Obama, acorn and voter fraud
-Obama adminsration goes after guitar maker Gibson
-Romney and Gingrich think it's okay for fed to force workers to pay union dues

Yeah, you can just feel the extremism from the list of articles on the opening screens. It has become a common tactic to attack conservatives by throwing out the words terrorist, racist, extremist and others. It doesn't engage the issues brought up, it simply seeks to silence people who do not hold left wing views. Earlier today a host on CNN ran through the list of Republican candidates and said the bachmann and perry were dumb. Every republican candidate except for Bush 1 and McCAin, they went after the vice pres. candidates and called them dumb, has been called dumb. While Al Gore and John Kerry were both mediocre students and Obama hides his records at harvard, calling republicans dumb, or racists, or extremists is simply a lazy way to try to win an argurment or make a point.

 

[Empty Hands]

You can't assign a "team" to this ideology. Both "sides" have supported and restricted individual freedom in the past. When you stop identifying with the label "conservative" and begin to understand the underlying principles, you'll find a lot more rationality in your arguments and you won't have to redefine the stupid labels anymore. I read your posts and see you trying to "brand" conservatives as pro-liberty and it just doesn't work. It will never work. At some point in the future, this will click in your mind. Until then, enjoy beating your head against the wall.

I'm not sure you meant to direct this at me...

 

[billc]

Yeah, that was meant for me. Yes, conservatives are pro-liberty, and individual freedom, and sugar and spice and everything nice.

 

[Empty Hands]

Yeah, that was meant for me. Yes, conservatives are pro-liberty, and individual freedom, and sugar and spice and everything nice.

I have it on good authority that conservatives don't poop, and sweat lilac water.

That's really how you come across you know. You've defined "conservative" as "everything good", so if someone does something bad, well golly, they couldn't have been a conservative.

One simple question demolishes your stupid argument, which is why you've never answered it in all of the times I've asked it of you. What would a "conservative" in modern Saudi Arabia or 12th century France believe in? Capitalism before capitalism was invented? Gun rights before guns were invented? A concept of personal freedom and universal representative government before those things even existed?

If we take your execrable definition at face value, then conservatism never existed prior to the last few hundred years. Just masses and masses of "leftists" for all of history, who as a group believed everything there was to believe for as far back as we care to look.

Pretty incoherent.

 

[billc]

I always define conservatism based on modern american conservatism which seeks to conserve the ideas that formed this country and have their roots, in various european philosophers, locke, and others. Someone who is not seeking to defend individual liberty, who does not believe in a limited government hemmed in by a seperation of powers and checks and balances would not be a conservative of the modern american strain. I believe that what today is american conservatism was once called classical liberalism. So, modern saudia arabia would not be in line with modern american conservatism. 12th century france, fill me in, I never paid too much attention to france other than the fact that their revolution took a wrong turn.


And no, we do not poop, and horses sweat, men perspire and women glisten.

 

[billc]

And, observing history of many different countries, when power is concentrated in government, individual liberty is slowly destroyed.

 

[Makalakumu]

I'm not sure you meant to direct this at me...

Sorry, EH, I was directing this at Bill. I was adding to your comments.

 

[Empty Hands]

I always define conservatism based on modern american conservatism which seeks to conserve the ideas that formed this country and have their roots, in various european philosophers, locke, and others.

Which is exceedingly stupid and does violence to the meaning of the word, as I've demonstrated to you. So stop doing it.

 

[Makalakumu]

I always define conservatism based on modern american conservatism which seeks to conserve the ideas that formed this country and have their roots, in various european philosophers, locke, and others. Someone who is not seeking to defend individual liberty, who does not believe in a limited government hemmed in by a seperation of powers and checks and balances would not be a conservative of the modern american strain. I believe that what today is american conservatism was once called classical liberalism. So, modern saudia arabia would not be in line with modern american conservatism. 12th century france, fill me in, I never paid too much attention to france other than the fact that their revolution took a wrong turn.


And no, we do not poop, and horses sweat, men perspire and women glisten.

American Conservatism has never been a proponent of the philosophy of Liberty. It has always been inconsistent. There has never been a time in our history where it was consistent. You cannot throw your eggs into the conservative basket and say you support a philosophy of freedom.

 

[billc]

Then I guess you will need to keep demonstrating it. American conservatism believes in individual liberty, the constitution as the supreme law of the land which can be changed through an amendment process, not by judicial decisions or federal agency policy decisions, that private property, the rule of law and democracy of some sort are the foundations of a free society. The left, believes in a large central government, with vast powers to manipulate the society according to the whims of those in political power. So, governments that do not honor individual liberty, the rule of law are not conservative by the modern american definition. They may try to "conserve" their specific form of government, but as long as they violate the above tenants, they aren't conservative in the modern american sense of the word.

 

[billc]

Makalakumu, I think I just did. It is the left that seeks to control the individual, not conservative, or the "right" in this country. From what toilets and lightbulbs you can use to what food is served in schools, to wether your home can be confiscated and given to someone else because they will generate more tax revenue, those are not conservative actions, but they are from the left.

 

[Steve]

If this is a game, where's the next video? I want to see how many I get right just by guessing based on who authors the post. I'm not settling for .500.

 

[billc]

We may have to wait for the next g-8 summit, or the next union protests.

 

[billc]

Okay, I've gone back onto some other posts for the next game, can't wait for the g-7-8-9 or 10 besides Starbucks needs to get in more plywood,so here is another protest. Ready...guess which side these protestors are on...

http://biggovernment.com/bhysen/2011/08/07/black-tea-party-protests-naacp-annual-convention/

 

[billc]

Here is a two part question, for extra points. In the following video, one man is being beaten up by several others, which side is the guy getting beat up on, and which side are the guys beating him up, on? The audience at home can play along, and please, for the studio audience, don't shout out the answers.

 

[Steve]

Okay, I've gone back onto some other posts for the next game, can't wait for the g-7-8-9 or 10 besides Starbucks needs to get in more plywood,so here is another protest. Ready...guess which side these protestors are on...

http://biggovernment.com/bhysen/2011/08/07/black-tea-party-protests-naacp-annual-convention/

Left! What do I win?

 

[Steve]

Here is a two part question, for extra points. In the following video, one man is being beaten up by several others, which side is the guy getting beat up on, and which side are the guys beating him up, on? The audience at home can play along, and please, for the studio audience, don't shout out the answers.

A Righty is getting his *** kicked by a bunch of leftist hippies. Am I right?

 

[billc]

On the first one, Black Tea party...and the answer is...so sorry Stevebjj, the black tea party is on the right. On the man getting beat up...yes you are correct, he is on the right and oh...there is a clarification needed on the second part of your answer. Yes, they are lefties, but they are not hippies but union thugs. We have to check your answer with the officials...yes, they say your answer is close enough, you get the point. Congratulations, SteveBjj, you scored 2 out of 3 points.

 

[billc]

The next video is up and your answer is?

 

[Empty Hands]

American conservatism believes in individual liberty...

Unless you are a gay couple that wants to get married or adopt a child. Or a Muslim Imam who wants to build a mosque in a certain Manhattan location (or Mufreesbro TN or any other number of locations). Or you want to buy a dildo in Alabama. Or you want to buy beer on Sundays in any number of dry counties. Or you want to get an abortion. Or you want to buy porn.

...the constitution as the supreme law of the land which can be changed through an amendment process...

Unless you are a state that wants to legalize marijuana or assisted suicide (10th). Or you are a Republican President who wants to pursue an undeclared war (Article 1, Section 8). Or you are a Republican President who wants to engage in domestic spying without judicial oversight. Then, suddenly, "conservatism" finds itself none too concerned with what the Constitution has to say.

...that private property, the rule of law and democracy of some sort are the foundations of a free society.

Along with traditional morality and institutions as well as religious control, which cuts against all that freedom that "conservatives" are supposedly for.

The left, believes in a large central government, with vast powers to manipulate the society according to the whims of those in political power.

They also cackle maniacally while rubbing their hands together, and have a special animus against children and cute puppies.

So, governments that do not honor individual liberty, the rule of law are not conservative by the modern american definition.

Which is meaningless unless we are talking about modern America. Which hasn't stopped you from using your wretched "definition" to label the Nazis as "leftists" despite being neither modern nor American.

You are just cheerleading. Mythmaking and ********ting about your team, which can do no wrong. Peddle it to someone who will believe in it, there are a couple such here.