What the Democrats really think of the troops

[qizmoduis]

Who really supports the troops?

http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2006/10/iava-support-troops-rankings-for-senate.html

Every single Democrat has a better voting record regarding military support than every single Republican. In reality, Republicans HATE the military and HATE our troops. Probably the best way to determine what is a fact, is to ask someone like Bush, and believe the opposite.

 

[Andrew Green]

There is a big difference between supporting the troops, and supporting the actions the politicians decide the troops should carry out.

 

[shesulsa]

There is a big difference between supporting the troops, and supporting the actions the politicians decide the troops should carry out.

I completely agree.

Supporting your servicemen ... who follow orders they might not even agree with, using sub-standard equipment, fighting for people who are so hungry they will accept a bribe from the enemy to plant a road-side bomb ... is one thing. I support them and want them home - yesterday.

Supporting the idea behind the action ... where is Osama again ... is another.

 

[Monadnock]

Short? Uh ... yeah, it's short all right.

Am I the only one who, when clicking on the link, pulls up three sentences of what amounts to a person's opinion sans any actual quote from Kerry?

Does this remind anybody else here of the old game, 'Telephone'? TCV says Kerry said it, but I don't see the quote.

michaeledward, good find on Kerry's retort - one I happen to agree with. Why didn't he have that much passion when he was running???

That's exaclty it. The major news media won't be carrying this quote anytime soon.

I wonder if Kerry came up with that retort, or if someone wrote it for him...

 

[michaeledward]

That's exaclty it. The major news media won't be carrying this quote anytime soon.

I wonder if Kerry came up with that retort, or if someone wrote it for him...

I saw the quote being discussed on Fox News ... what will it take for them to 'major news media'?

What is interesting, according to reports I have seen, the language all around the quote in question was challenging the Presidents "smarts" in launching the war in Iraq. It was, reportedly, an obvious attack on the Commander in Chief. In that context, it is red meat to those present at the campaign rally.

I have no doubt that Kerry's response was his own. He was burned by such tactics once before, wasn't he? You know, when he thought it would be best to not respond to obviously false information.


EDIT ...

Here is what Kerry said today

"You know, education -- if you make the most of it, you study hard and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

Here is the language on Kerry's speech ... what he was supposed to say, according to an aide. Apparently, this language has been used in many campaign stops.

"I can't overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq."

Take this for what it's worth.

END EDIT

 

[michaeledward]

"If he doesn't apologize we're going to beat him to death until he does..."

- Rep. John Boehner - GOP Majority Leader to John Gibson on Fox News at 5.20pm ET

When Dennis Hastert is forced to step down from his leadership position for his handling of Mark Foley, This representative is poised to be the leader of the Republican House Caucus.

 

[jazkiljok]

John Kerry, Democratic Presidential Nominee in 2004, had the following to say about our troops:



http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/19822.html

We are so fortunate as to not have him as Commander in Chief. What a dirtbag.

again, we see an out of context comment taken to some ridiculous level of misleading and pointless accusation to reduce the discussion to name calling and personal attacks.

we may well be fortunate not to have him as Commander-in-Chief, we're also fortunate not to have Mel Gibson, Lyndon LaRouche, Donald Duck and Barney the Purple Dinosaur as Commander-in-Chief... but does that make us fortunate to have the incompetent bozos that we got now?

dirtbag? he served in vietnam, was decorated in battle, wounded, and made it back to become an american success story. boring, maybe, longwinded and uninspiring maybe... but i don't think you sum up a man's life based on one sentence that's meaning has been distorted by the press.

[and yes, it's true i did vote for Donald for president a number years ago, but that's before i saw this damning video.]


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3678613968559306238

 

[Monadnock]

I saw the quote being discussed on Fox News ... what will it take for them to 'major news media'?

What is interesting, according to reports I have seen, the language all around the quote in question was challenging the Presidents "smarts" in launching the war in Iraq. It was, reportedly, an obvious attack on the Commander in Chief. In that context, it is red meat to those present at the campaign rally.

I have no doubt that Kerry's response was his own. He was burned by such tactics once before, wasn't he? You know, when he thought it would be best to not respond to obviously false information.


EDIT ...

Here is what Kerry said today



Here is the language on Kerry's speech ... what he was supposed to say, according to an aide. Apparently, this language has been used in many campaign stops.



Take this for what it's worth.

END EDIT

Yes, I see the Democratic spin machine took no time in putting out this little fire. Cuz we all know Bush never finished High School. The joke seems so fitting. Chuckle.

You know, I'd almost expect this kind of "stuttering" from Bush, but if Kerry is going to go on a campaign of Bush bashing because he still can't accept he lost the election, maybe he should either write his own jokes or spend some more time reviewing his script. With a little work, maybe he could be in the next Michael Moore film.

For what it's worth, next to nothing, like Kerry at this point. If he's running in '08, I weep for the future.

 

[michaeledward]

For what it's worth, next to nothing, like Kerry at this point. If he's running in '08, I weep for the future.

So, through your tears, tell us ....

In what branch of the military did you serve? In how many elective offices have you served to better the community around you?

 

[Monadnock]

If I did serve in the Military, I wouldn't throw my medals away.
If I did serve in Congress, I would attend the sessions.
I would not vote on anything that required raising taxes.
I would respect the 2nd Ammendment.
...and I wouldn't be a flip-flopper. (To put it lightly.)


But it's not about me is it? I didn't crack jokes about the military.

Spin, spin, spin away. It'll all be forgotten in a week. I'll be done with this thread much sooner.

 

[elder999]

If I did serve in the Military, I wouldn't throw my medals away.
If I did serve in Congress, I would attend the sessions.
I would not vote on anything that required raising taxes.
I would respect the 2nd Ammendment.
...and I wouldn't be a flip-flopper. (To put it lightly.)


But it's not about me is it? I didn't crack jokes about the military.

Spin, spin, spin away. It'll all be forgotten in a week. I'll be done with this thread much sooner.

Near as I can tell, if you look at what he said as saying that it's Mr. Bush who's stuck in Iraq-it wasn't pointed towards the military at all. It's also worth pointing out that it's an election year, Hillary is touted as the next candidate for President, and he still wants to be-at this point, even negative attention is better for Kerry than the amount of attention he's gotten for the last two years. I wouldn't doubt that it was calculated to put him back in the public eye.

Lastly, though, I'd add that Bush is as big a flip-flopper as Kerry:

1. Social Security Surplus
BUSH PLEDGES NOT TO TOUCH SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS... "We're going to keep the promise of Social Security and keep the government from raiding the Social Security surplus." [President Bush, 3/3/01]
...BUSH SPENDS SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS The New York Times reported that "the president's new budget uses Social Security surpluses to pay for other programs every year through 2013, ultimately diverting more than $1.4 trillion in Social Security funds to other purposes." [The New York Times, 2/6/02]

2. Patient's Right to Sue
GOVERNOR BUSH VETOES PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "Despite his campaign rhetoric in favor of a patients' bill of rights, Bush fought such a bill tooth and nail as Texas governor, vetoing a bill coauthored by Republican state Rep. John Smithee in 1995. He... constantly opposed a patient's right to sue an HMO over coverage denied that resulted in adverse health effects." [Salon, 2/7/01]
...CANDIDATE BUSH PRAISES TEXAS PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "We're one of the first states that said you can sue an HMO for denying you proper coverage... It's time for our nation to come together and do what's right for the people. And I think this is right for the people. You know, I support a national patients' bill of rights, Mr. Vice President. And I want all people covered. I don't want the law to supersede good law like we've got in Texas." [Governor Bush, 10/17/00]
...PRESIDENT BUSH'S ADMINISTRATION ARGUES AGAINST RIGHT TO SUE "To let two Texas consumers, Juan Davila and Ruby R. Calad, sue their managed-care companies for wrongful denials of medical benefits ‘would be to completely undermine' federal law regulating employee benefits, Assistant Solicitor General James A. Feldman said at oral argument March 23. Moreover, the administration's brief attacked the policy rationale for Texas's law, which is similar to statutes on the books in nine other states." [Washington Post, 4/5/04]

3. Tobacco Buyout
BUSH SUPPORTS CURRENT TOBACCO FARMERS' QUOTA SYSTEM... "They've got the quota system in place -- the allotment system -- and I don't think that needs to be changed." [President Bush, 5/04]
...BUSH ADMINISTRATION WILL SUPPORT FEDERAL BUYOUT OF TOBACCO QUOTAS "The administration is open to a buyout." [White House spokeswoman Jeanie Mamo, 6/18/04]

4. North Korea
BUSH WILL NOT OFFER NUCLEAR NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM... "We developed a bold approach under which, if the North addressed our long-standing concerns, the United States was prepared to take important steps that would have significantly improved the lives of the North Korean people. Now that North Korea's covert nuclear weapons program has come to light, we are unable to pursue this approach." [President's Statement, 11/15/02]
...BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFERS NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM"Well, we will work to take steps to ease their political and economic isolation. So there would be -- what you would see would be some provisional or temporary proposals that would only lead to lasting benefit after North Korea dismantles its nuclear programs. So there would be some provisional or temporary efforts of that nature." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 6/23/04]

5. Abortion
BUSH SUPPORTS A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE... "Bush said he...favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question." [The Nation, 6/15/00, quoting the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, 5/78]
...BUSH OPPOSES A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE "I am pro-life." [Governor Bush, 10/3/00]

6. OPEC
BUSH PROMISES TO FORCE OPEC TO LOWER PRICES... "What I think the president ought to do [when gas prices spike] is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots...And the president of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price." [President Bush, 1/26/00]
...BUSH REFUSES TO LOBBY OPEC LEADERS With gas prices soaring in the United States at the beginning of 2004, the Miami Herald reported the president refused to "personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their minds." [Miami Herald, 4/1/04]

7. Iraq Funding
BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004... "We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04" [White House Budget Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04]
...BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004 "I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops." [President Bush, Statement by President, 5/5/04]

8. Condoleeza Rice Testimony
BUSH SPOKESMAN SAYS RICE WON'T TESTIFY AS 'A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE'... "Again, this is not her personal preference; this goes back to a matter of principle. There is a separation of powers issue involved here. Historically, White House staffers do not testify before legislative bodies. So it's a matter of principle, not a matter of preference." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 3/9/04]
...BUSH ORDERS RICE TO TESTIFY: "Today I have informed the Commission on Terrorist Attacks Against the United States that my National Security Advisor, Dr. Condoleezza Rice, will provide public testimony." [President Bush, 3/30/04]

9. Science
BUSH PLEDGES TO ISSUE REGULATIONS BASED ON SCIENCE..."I think we ought to have high standards set by agencies that rely upon science, not by what may feel good or what sounds good." [then-Governor George W. Bush, 1/15/00]
...BUSH ADMINISTRATION REGULATIONS IGNORE SCIENCE "60 leading scientists—including Nobel laureates, leading medical experts, former federal agency directors and university chairs and presidents—issued a statement calling for regulatory and legislative action to restore scientific integrity to federal policymaking. According to the scientists, the Bush administration has, among other abuses, suppressed and distorted scientific analysis from federal agencies, and taken actions that have undermined the quality of scientific advisory panels." [Union of Concerned Scientists, 2/18/04]

10. Ahmed Chalabi
BUSH INVITES CHALABI TO STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS...President Bush also met with Chalabi during his brief trip to Iraq last Thanksgiving [White House Documents 1/20/04, 11/27/03]
...BUSH MILITARY ASSISTS IN RAID OF CHALABI'S HOUSE "U.S. soldiers raided the home of America's one-time ally Ahmad Chalabi on Thursday and seized documents and computers." [Washington Post, 5/20/04]

11. Department of Homeland Security
BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY..."So, creating a Cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn't solve anything." [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, 3/19/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY "So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people." [President Bush, Address to the Nation, 6/6/02]

12. Weapons of Mass Destruction
BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION..."We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories...for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]
...BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION "David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons.And when David Kay goes in and says we haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out." [President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04]

13. Free Trade
BUSH SUPPORTS FREE TRADE... "I believe strongly that if we promote trade, and when we promote trade, it will help workers on both sides of this issue." [President Bush in Peru, 3/23/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS RESTRICTIONS ON TRADE "In a decision largely driven by his political advisers, President Bush set aside his free-trade principles last year and imposed heavy tariffs on imported steel to help out struggling mills in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, two states crucial for his reelection." [Washington Post, 9/19/03]

14. Osama Bin Laden
BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE... "I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01]
...BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA "I don't know where he is.You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him."[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]

15. The Environment
BUSH SUPPORTS MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE... "[If elected], Governor Bush will work to...establish mandatory reduction targets for emissions of four main pollutants: sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide, mercury and carbon dioxide." [Bush Environmental Plan, 9/29/00]
...BUSH OPPOSES MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE "I do not believe, however, that the government should impose on power plants mandatory emissions reductions for carbon dioxide, which is not a 'pollutant' under the Clean Air Act." [President Bush, Letter to Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), 3/13/03]

16. WMD Commission
BUSH RESISTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE... "The White House immediately turned aside the calls from Kay and many Democrats for an immediate outside investigation, seeking to head off any new wide-ranging election-year inquiry that might go beyond reports already being assembled by congressional committees and the Central Intelligence Agency." [NY Times, 1/29/04]
...BUSH SUPPORTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE "Today, by executive order, I am creating an independent commission, chaired by Governor and former Senator Chuck Robb, Judge Laurence Silberman, to look at American intelligence capabilities, especially our intelligence about weapons of mass destruction." [President Bush, 2/6/04]

17. Creation of the 9/11 Commission
BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11." [CBS News, 5/23/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION "President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks." [ABC News, 09/20/02]

18. Time Extension for 9/11 Commission
BUSH OPPOSES TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush and House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) have decided to oppose granting more time to an independent commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks." [Washington Post, 1/19/04]
...BUSH SUPPORTS TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION "The White House announced Wednesday its support for a request from the commission investigating the September 11, 2001 attacks for more time to complete its work." [CNN, 2/4/04]

19. One Hour Limit for 9/11 Commission Testimony
BUSH LIMITS TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF 9/11 COMMISSION TO ONE HOUR... "President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have placed strict limits on the private interviews they will grant to the federal commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks, saying that they will meet only with the panel's top two officials and that Mr. Bush will submit to only a single hour of questioning, commission members said Wednesday." [NY Times, 2/26/04]
...BUSH SETS NO TIMELIMIT FOR TESTIMONY "The president's going to answer all of the questions they want to raise. Nobody's watching the clock." [White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 3/10/04]

20. Gay Marriage
BUSH SAYS GAY MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE... "The state can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me into." [Gov. George W. Bush on Gay Marriage, Larry King Live, 2/15/00]
...BUSH SUPPORTS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE "Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and wife." [President Bush, 2/24/04]

21. Nation Building
BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING... "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road." [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00]
...BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING "We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people." [President Bush, 3/6/03]
22. Saddam/al Qaeda Link
BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM... "You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror." [President Bush, 9/25/02]
...BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11." [President Bush, 9/17/03]

23. U.N. Resolution
BUSH VOWS TO HAVE A UN VOTE NO MATTER WHAT... "No matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It's time for people to show their cards, to let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam." [President Bush 3/6/03]
...BUSH WITHDRAWS REQUEST FOR VOTE "At a National Security Council meeting convened at the White House at 8:55 a.m., Bush finalized the decision to withdraw the resolution from consideration and prepared to deliver an address to the nation that had already been written." [Washington Post, 3/18/03]

24. Involvement in the Palestinian Conflict
BUSH OPPOSES SUMMITS... "Well, we've tried summits in the past, as you may remember. It wasn't all that long ago where a summit was called and nothing happened, and as a result we had significant intifada in the area." [President Bush, 04/05/02]
...BUSH SUPPORTS SUMMITS "If a meeting advances progress toward two states living side by side in peace, I will strongly consider such a meeting. I'm committed to working toward peace in the Middle East." [President Bush, 5/23/03]

25. Campaign Finance
BUSH OPPOSES MCCAIN-FEINGOLD... "George W. Bush opposes McCain-Feingold...as an infringement on free expression." [Washington Post, 3/28/2000]
...BUSH SIGNS MCCAIN-FEINGOLD INTO LAW "[T]his bill improves the current system of financing for Federal campaigns, and therefore I have signed it into law." [President Bush, at the McCain-Feingold signing ceremony, 03/27/02]

26. 527s
Bush opposes restrictions on 527s: "I also have reservations about the constitutionality of the broad ban on issue advertising [in McCain Feingold], which restrains the speech of a wide variety of groups on issues of public import." [President Bush, 3/27/02]
…Bush says 527s bad for system: "I don't think we ought to have 527s. I can't be more plain about it…I think they're bad for the system. That's why I signed the bill, McCain-Feingold." [President Bush, 8/23/04]

27. Medical Records
Bush says medical records must remain private: "I believe that we must protect…the right of every American to have confidence that his or her personal medical records will remain private." [President Bush, 4/12/01]
…Bush says patients' histories are not confidntial: The Justice Department…asserts that patients "no longer possess a reasonable expectation that their histories will remain completely confidential." [BusinessWeek, 4/30/04]

28. Timelines For Dictators
Bush sets timeline for Saddam: "If Iraq does not accept the terms within a week of passage or fails to disclose required information within 30 days, the resolution authorizes 'all necessary means' to force compliance--in other words, a military attack." [LA Times, 10/3/02]
…Bush says he's against timelines: "I don't think you give timelines to dictators." [President Bush, 8/27/04]

29. The Great Lakes
Bush wants to divert great lakes: "Even though experts say 'diverting any water from the Great Lakes region sets a bad precedent' Bush 'said he wants to talk to Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien about piping water to parched states in the west and southwest.'– [AP, 7/19/01]
Bush says he'll never divert Great Lakes: "We've got to use our resources wisely, like water. It starts with keeping the Great Lakes water in the Great Lakes Basin...My position is clear: We're never going to allow diversion of Great Lakes water." [President Bush, 8/16/04]

30. Winning The War On Terror
Bush claims he can win the war on terror: "One of the interesting things people ask me, now that we're asking questions, is, can you ever win the war on terror? Of course, you can." [President Bush, 4/13/04]
…Bush says war on terror is unwinnable: "I don't think you can win [the war on terror]." [President Bush, 8/30/04]
…Bush says he will win the war on terror: "Make no mistake about it, we are winning and we will win [the war on terror]." [President Bush, 8/31/04]

You can see lots more Bush flipflops here.

 

[Blotan Hunka]

Boy Kerry's lips are flip flopping to get around this one .

"You know education if you make the most of it, you study hard and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well, if you don't, you can get stuck in Iraq." -Flipper

Now I was in the Army so I guess I aint so daggummed smart. But that seems pretty easy to understand to me. Stay in school and get smart otherwise youll wind up a stupid uneducated moron in the military.

What other interpretation of that is there?

 

[michaeledward]

What other interpretation of that is there?

The other interpretation includes the plural pronoun 'us' in the language.

I can't overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq."

This language has a very different meaning.

Here is a simliar quote, that didn't get nearly as much traction

THE PRESIDENT: I appreciate the Secretary of Energy joining me today. He's a good man, he knows a lot about the subject, you'll be pleased to hear. I was teasing him -- he taught at MIT, and -- do you have a PhD?
SECRETARY BODMAN: Yes.
THE PRESIDENT: Yes, a PhD. (Laughter.) Now I want you to pay careful attention to this -- he's the PhD, and I'm the C student, but notice who is the advisor and who is the President.

But, as I posted earlier.

It is so important to change the subject to Senator Kerry, after all, he is not even on the ballot this year.

To think, we might have to be discussing why President Bush's military have abandoned their search for a missing soldier on the battlefield. Iraqi Prime Minister al-Maliki told us earlier this week, he was not 'Washington's man in Baghdad'. And he has proved it just yesterday, when he demanded that the United States military stop searching for the missing American, Ahmed al-Taei.

 

[shesulsa]

Boy Kerry's lips are flip flopping to get around this one .

"You know education if you make the most of it, you study hard and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well, if you don't, you can get stuck in Iraq." -Flipper

Now I was in the Army so I guess I aint so daggummed smart. But that seems pretty easy to understand to me. Stay in school and get smart otherwise youll wind up a stupid uneducated moron in the military.

What other interpretation of that is there?

I'm sorry, I took it as a slam at George Bush.

 

[Kreth]

By no means am I a Kerry fan, but when I first read this I saw it as a slap at Dubya.

 

[mrhnau]

I'm sorry, I took it as a slam at George Bush.

Pardon? Insulting the intellegence of troops is insulting Bush? How do you connect those dots?

 

[elder999]

Pardon? Insulting the intellegence of troops is insulting Bush? How do you connect those dots?

Bush is stuck in Iraq. He is, after all, Commander in Chief.

Of course, Bush did marginally better than Kerry did at Yale, and Kerry wound up "stuck in Viet Nam..." He is something of a putz.

 

[shesulsa]

Bush is stuck in Iraq. He is, after all, Commander in Chief.

Of course, Bush did marginally better than Kerry did at Yale, and Kerry wound up "stuck in Viet Nam..." He is something of a putz.

Does anybody but me watch those snippets on David Letterman of our illustrious leader speaking publicly? No wonder they rarely put the man on television - he can barely talk and sometimes it's not even coherent!

And I agree with your statement above.

 

[Monadnock]

"Staying the course" is not stuck. If he got on the news every week to repeat his plan saying, "We're trying to get out", I'd say he is stuck. But he is saying the OPPOSITE. He is saying we are STAYING THE COURSE. Meaning, he wants to stay in Iraq until we are finished.

I guess it is all relative. If you want to get out now, then we are stuck.

If you want to see this thing through, then we are staying the course, decidedly.

 

[Kreth]

"Staying the course" is not stuck. If he got on the news every week to repeat his plan saying, "We're trying to get out", I'd say he is stuck. But he is saying the OPPOSITE. He is saying we are STAYING THE COURSE. Meaning, he wants to stay in Iraq until we are finished.

I guess it is all relative. If you want to get out now, then we are stuck.

If you want to see this thing through, then we are staying the course, decidedly.

Or maybe the whole "stay the course" rhetoric came about because Dubya (or at least his speechwriters) realizes he's gotten us into another Vietnam.