What is Garuda Tibetan Tai Chi?

[zzj]

Came across this interesting form of Tai Chi (in Albuquerque NM) while while surfing the ol' net. What drew my attention was the history of this form as stated on its website Tibetan Tai Chi Chuan Martial Arts Training Albuquerque, NM Liu Siong

Over six centuries ago, there lived a Tibetan monk by the name of Bodhidarma-Daruma. After meditating in the Tibetan mountains for forty days, he awoke and studied the natural movements of the animals. He studied such creatures as the praying mantis, the crane, and the tiger. Impressed by their suppleness and grace, he imitated those movements for quite a time. Though quite elderly, Bodhidarma-Daruma obtained great benefit: he became calmer, healthier, more energetic, and felt much younger than his chronological age.
One day, he traveled east to the forests of western China, where he lived in a cave. There, he met a man named Shao-Lin whom he taught for many years. Shao-Lin, too, noticed the benefits of these movements. When Shao-Lin returned to his city (which is now named after him), he founded a temple where he started teaching a small group of monks.
In the orient, Tibetan Tai-Chi is taught only to very few students, who are carefully screened and evaluated by the master. At present, the original Tibetan Tai-Chi is a lost art except for the very few masters that have learned it from their own fathers trained in the Soringi Temple (the rebuilt Shao-Lin temple) that existed in pre-communist China.

Is this Tibetan Tai Chi something totally different from what most of us know? Also, I can't find any videos showing their movements. I'm very curious how it would look, has anyone heard of them? Or anyone knows this system?

 

[oaktree]

Never heard of Tibetan Taiji sounds like B.S. the history makes no sense and best to avoid it and train in a legit Taijiquan style.

 

[elder999]

There was a brief thread on this about eight years ago.....here ya go: http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/60...eral/41930-ggm-reeders-s-tibetan-tai-chi.html

 

[clfsean]

The history is COMPLETE bollocks. Aside from the the stories od Bodhidarma going to Shaolin, the rest of what you posted from their website is beyond wrong.

 

[zzj]

The history is COMPLETE bollocks. Aside from the the stories od Bodhidarma going to Shaolin, the rest of what you posted from their website is beyond wrong.

Exactly, when I read the 'history' I was completely utterly speechless. While this may not necessarily mean that the martial art itself is not good (it may be excellent for combat or health), but it casts doubt on the inter gritty and lineage. Also, what exactly qualifies to be tai chi? This style claims no relationship at all in terms of its origin and lineage, not even a zhang Sanfeng.

 

[clfsean]

Exactly, when I read the 'history' I was completely utterly speechless. While this may not necessarily mean that the martial art itself is not good (it may be excellent for combat or health), but it casts doubt on the inter gritty and lineage. Also, what exactly qualifies to be tai chi? This style claims no relationship at all in terms of its origin and lineage, not even a zhang Sanfeng.

Bravo! Good to see you nearly spit your coffee out too!!

What does qualify as taiji... eh I don't think there's a singular answer for that although you'll hear plenty of them.

 

[hunyuan24]

I am speechless as well, but the video clip looks ok.

Maybe someone just made up the story for business reasons, but they may actually know their stuff...

Tibetan Tai Chi! Never heard of this.

 

[Xue Sheng]

Their history is fiction....even the Bodhidarma bits.

There is no reputable/reliable historical record/proof that Bodhidarma even existed little alone go to Shaolin

And the whole Mountaintop Shaolin temple part outside of Peking (Beijing) is just wrong

 

[clfsean]

I am speechless as well, but the video clip looks ok.

Maybe someone just made up the story for business reasons, but they may actually know their stuff...

Tibetan Tai Chi! Never heard of this.

I don't see any vids...

 

[hunyuan24]

I don't see any vids...

I might be wrong - I clicked on a video link in the post above. It might not be Tibetan Tai Chi.
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/60...eral/41930-ggm-reeders-s-tibetan-tai-chi.html

Lama Pai White Crane Needle In Cotton Set

 

[clfsean]

I might be wrong - I clicked on a video link in the post above. It might not be Tibetan Tai Chi.
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/60...eral/41930-ggm-reeders-s-tibetan-tai-chi.html

Lama Pai White Crane Needle In Cotton Set

No... this isn't anything taiji like except it's not done "fast". I practice Lama Pai & know the Min Loi Jaam along with a couple of other hei gung & noi gung sets & drills.

Taiji is Taiji. Taiji is Chinese & has "X" principles with "Y" Chinese principles. The Lion's Roar arts (Lama Pai, Haap Ga, Bahk Hok Pai) are from Tibet but were grown with Chinese refinement & development. Taiji isn't included in that.

Ok... watched the mySpace vid... only thing Tibetan I see about it is the marketing.

 

[Prince Blue]

Came across this interesting form of Tai Chi (in Albuquerque NM) while while surfing the ol' net. What drew my attention was the history of this form as stated on its website Tibetan Tai Chi Chuan Martial Arts Training Albuquerque, NM Liu Siong



Is this Tibetan Tai Chi something totally different from what most of us know? Also, I can't find any videos showing their movements. I'm very curious how it would look, has anyone heard of them? Or anyone knows this system?

The responses here are low information conjecture.

I study and train in Reeders (Liu Seong) Family System of Kuntao.

I do not practice Tibetan Tai-Chi but I do know that school's founder Willem Reeders is exactly who he says he is. He lived an extraordinary life and I have two binders full of evidence and proof.

 

[Oily Dragon]

Willem Reeders is exactly who he says he is. He lived an extraordinary life and I have two binders full of evidence and proof.

Do either of them contain something to back up his claim to have been "certified by Ngawang Lobsang Thupten Gyatso Jigdral Chokley Namgyal?

Just a curious cat.

 

[O'Malley]

The responses here are low information conjecture.

I study and train in Reeders (Liu Seong) Family System of Kuntao.

I do not practice Tibetan Tai-Chi but I do know that school's founder Willem Reeders is exactly who he says he is. He lived an extraordinary life and I have two binders full of evidence and proof.

I initially read it "blinders". That was funny.

 

[Prince Blue]

Do either of them contain something to back up his claim to have been "certified by Ngawang Lobsang Thupten Gyatso Jigdral Chokley Namgyal?

Just a curious cat.

No. His widow Miss Marilyn who runs that school in NM probably does.

The binders have history, ancient texts, descriptions of concepts & techniques, news paper articles, interviews, government letters from the DOD and letters from the police.

 

[Psafier]

The responses here are low information conjecture.

I study and train in Reeders (Liu Seong) Family System of Kuntao.

I do not practice Tibetan Tai-Chi but I do know that school's founder Willem Reeders is exactly who he says he is. He lived an extraordinary life and I have two binders full of evidence and proof.

Thank you for trying to set the record straight on the Liu Siong System.
I first met him in Albuquerque in 1972 and attended Kung Fu/Chuan Fa classes for only a few months. At that time he would not teach Tibetan Tai-chi, and I did not have enough interest in combat techniques to continue. Nevertheless, I treasure the time we spent together after class rolling Dutch shag cigarettes and talking. He was an amazing man who had much to teach. I regret not realizing that at the time. And so it goes.
Fortunately, I started classes 30 years ago with his widow Marilyn whom he authorized to teach the 4 phases of the authentic long form
Tibetan Tai-chi, a completely different style from the other, more recent, abbreviated forms like Yang and the others which only have around 14 distinct moves/postures. Folks should read the description at What is Tibetan Tai-Chi – Garuda Tibetan Taichi Albuquerque, NM faculty before commenting on a style and system that they have never seen and never will unless they come to a class in Albuquerque. No videos of the Liu Siong System of Tibetan Tai-chi, Tai Wu, Qi Gong, hand and weapon katas exist on line as we are prohibited from sharing what he only taught here to a limited number of dedicated students of whom only a few remain.
We welcome new students who can commit to the years it takes to learn this system.

 

[windwalker099]

before commenting on a style and system that they have never seen and never will unless they come to a class in Albuquerque. No videos of the Liu Siong System of Tibetan Tai-chi, Tai Wu, Qi Gong, hand and weapon katas exist on line as we are prohibited from sharing what he only taught here to a limited number of dedicated students of whom only a few remain.

Is this reflective of the practice ?

I am displaying the second part of Master Lew's Tibetan-style Tai Chi, which has about 99 or so forms (aka specific movements or poses). It should be performed much much slower than in this video, but Monita and I didn't have all day especially since I messed up a few times and had to do a few retakes.

 

[Psafier]

Is this reflective of the practice ?

This bears no resemblance to what Liu Siong taught as Tibetan Tai-chi.