What if an Electric Car could go 500 miles and charge in one hour?

[Carol]

No doubt, Carol. Mitsubishi has a car in the $20k range, but the only way the cost of the vehicles goes down is either through expansion of market share or showing up in the used car lots.

I'd really like to see extended range, myself.

I didn't realize they had become that affordable, that is good news. Lower price expands the market, extended range would also expand the market.

I'll admit that I'm not a particularly good candidate for an EV, even though they fascinate me. My driving habits are a bit outside the lines

 

[MaxiMe]

Let me know when they have an 8' bed that never has to be made and can pull a trailer loaded with 3000 lbs of stuff. Then I'll think about it.

 

[billc]

If you can get that car down under 20k, and it performs equal to or better than my camry then I'll buy it. My problem with electric cars is that people tell me that sure, this car costs more and is less efficient than what you drive now, but to make it worth it, were going to subsidize it and do what we can to make gas so expensive you have no choice. That is my problem with the electric car. Otherwise, I could not care less, I'm not a car person. I just need the thing to move me places.

 

[Steve]

If you can get that car down under 20k, and it performs equal to or better than my camry then I'll buy it. My problem with electric cars is that people tell me that sure, this car costs more and is less efficient than what you drive now, but to make it worth it, were going to subsidize it and do what we can to make gas so expensive you have no choice. That is my problem with the electric car. Otherwise, I could not care less, I'm not a car person. I just need the thing to move me places.

Base model Camry is over $21k. Oil is heavily subsidized in America. And you're going to have to define "efficient" because clearly it means something specific to you that doesn't include common usage.

Can you be a little more specific? I'm afraid I don't understand your implications.


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[Rich Parsons]

What about a smart phone with a week's worth of battery power and a charging time of about 15 minutes?

Would you like it then? http://www.northwestern.edu/newscenter/stories/2011/11/batteries-energy-kung.html

These squints are working on an electrode that would allow Li-Ion batteries to store up to 10 times more energy and charge up to 10 times faster. Pretty interesting stuff.

I treat this article like I do with the ones around anti-matter and the Hadron Collider. It is good to do research. It is not going into production tomorrow.

We can charge faster today but the heat goes into the battery pack and this is not as efficent but it is quicker. Also takes away from the "life" of the battery.
As to the use of Silicon versus Carbon this is a good insight and research. What concerns me is the loss or destruction of the Silicon. The article states it is not lost, but where does it go and how does it react. Anyone who remembers the pellet catalytic converters because the designers all thought the pellets would roll around and never sit still to oxidize in place. So if the silicon goes in the wrong place what happens. What happens in accidents. For phones this is more likely which is good to have a market to immprove the tech before it goes into a vehicle which has safety critical components.

I am not discouraging the research, just stating it is research, and I will wait and see. It could be out soon (* a few years *) or sometime in the future 5 to 10 years. But it is research in the right direction.

 

[Josh Oakley]

If you can get that car down under 20k, and it performs equal to or better than my camry then I'll buy it. My problem with electric cars is that people tell me that sure, this car costs more and is less efficient than what you drive now, but to make it worth it, were going to subsidize it and do what we can to make gas so expensive you have no choice. That is my problem with the electric car. Otherwise, I could not care less, I'm not a car person. I just need the thing to move me places.

Food for thought: http://www.weatherimagery.com/blog/electric-vs-gasoline-vehicle/

 

[Steve]

I treat this article like I do with the ones around anti-matter and the Hadron Collider. It is good to do research. It is not going into production tomorrow.

We can charge faster today but the heat goes into the battery pack and this is not as efficent but it is quicker. Also takes away from the "life" of the battery.
As to the use of Silicon versus Carbon this is a good insight and research. What concerns me is the loss or destruction of the Silicon. The article states it is not lost, but where does it go and how does it react. Anyone who remembers the pellet catalytic converters because the designers all thought the pellets would roll around and never sit still to oxidize in place. So if the silicon goes in the wrong place what happens. What happens in accidents. For phones this is more likely which is good to have a market to immprove the tech before it goes into a vehicle which has safety critical components.

I am not discouraging the research, just stating it is research, and I will wait and see. It could be out soon (* a few years *) or sometime in the future 5 to 10 years. But it is research in the right direction.

Rich, I agree completely. I'm sharing interesting articles. I think that the demand for batteries is pushing research into that direction and I'm excited to see what comes out.

My concern, however, is that it will become a money issue with the auto industry. We have many well documented examples of viable tech being suppressed by the auto industry for control and money.

 

[Steve]

Food for thought: http://www.weatherimagery.com/blog/electric-vs-gasoline-vehicle/

Interesting blog post. Some of it has actually come to pass. Others haven't, but overall, the points are legit.

 

[ballen0351]

Buy Electric cars or else she will come for you

 

[Josh Oakley]

I may have been tempted to pull right up next to her. And blast Rage Against The Machine while I was at it. (Cwutididthur?)

 

[Steve]

Lame.


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[billc]

She is exactly what I am talking about. Buy a prius if you want, but don't bug people who don't want to make the same choice. You are not morally superior because you drive a hybrid and this guy drives a big car.

 

[Steve]

She is exactly what I am talking about. Buy a prius if you want, but don't bug people who don't want to make the same choice. You are not morally superior because you drive a hybrid and this guy drives a big car.

Guys. I can tell you from personal experience that holier than thou, morally superior a-holes are not held in monopoly by any one group of people. I routinely get flipped off, tail gated and crowded by insecure douchebags driving lifted pickup trucks and large SUVs. It goes both ways. Actually, it's even more pervasive than this. Douchebaggery is universal.

The lesson I take away isn't that I should dislike people who drive lifted pickups and SUVs. It's that it is stupid to make sweeping generalizations about a large group based on a relatively small number of unflattering snapshots that support my predetermined position.

If you don't want to buy a prius, by all means, make your own choices. But you're not morally superior, either. This video is lame on a lot of levels. The crazy lady in the video went off because she was making exactly the same mistake you just made in your post.

 

[Xue Sheng]

:hmm: So would they buy an Electric Car if it could go 500 miles an hour on a charge


And “inconsiderate idiot” knows no race, religion nor does it have a specific political or environmental affiliation. They are of every race, religion and political/environmental affiliation. Also.....I will let you in on a secret..... they do not have any specic style or type of vehicle either...they...are... everywhere :uhohh:

 

[shihansmurf]

I don't know a great deal about the electrics so please bear with me on this.

How fast are they? How quickly do they do the 1/4 mile? 0-60?

I know it mey be sophomoric but I love the way my mustang performs. If they can produce an electric the performs as well or better than I would be all over it.

Mark

 

[Rich Parsons]

Rich, I agree completely. I'm sharing interesting articles. I think that the demand for batteries is pushing research into that direction and I'm excited to see what comes out.

My concern, however, is that it will become a money issue with the auto industry. We have many well documented examples of viable tech being suppressed by the auto industry for control and money.

Steve, can you give me examples.

SIDI Spark ignition Direct Injection and CIDI Compression Ignition Direct Inject is often listed by people, and we have it today, but it was cost of implementing and development and research. It is easy to make any one car work in a lab or in one environment. It is difficult to validate against all altitudes and weather conditions. Not an excuse just stating some information.

So what is being suppressed?

Hybrids are not selling period. Toyota Hybrids are not selling. Only the Prius has numbers above 10k +/-. Which is why Toyota came out with four versions of the Prius to see if they can cash in on the name.

If it is the cost fo $4,000 to $8,000 for a battery because of precious metals in them for a vehicle then I see you point of it not being readily available but not that it is suppressed. The general population just will not buy it.

In 1972 GM produced 1000 Impalas with driver side airbags. The base Impala cost $1000. The one with the air bag cost $3000. No one bought one. GM Built them to show the feds that people were not ready to pay for that technology. So then Congress passed laws for Seat belts instead. GM had to sell the ones with the air bags at the same price as the others at the end of the model year to move them. How is this suppression?

Just because you can build it does not mean you can build it safely or cost effectively.
Just because you do build it does not mean people will buy it.

 

[Steve]

I don't know a great deal about the electrics so please bear with me on this.

How fast are they? How quickly do they do the 1/4 mile? 0-60?

I know it mey be sophomoric but I love the way my mustang performs. If they can produce an electric the performs as well or better than I would be all over it.

Mark

No problem. As with any car, they will vary.

The LEAF, which is the commuter level car I have, will go 0 to 60 in about 7 seconds. It's said to top out over 90 mph. I run about 70 mph without a problem on the freeway. It's comparable to a Civic, Camry or something like that.

The Tesla Roadster, an all electric sports car, will go 0 to 60 in under 4 seconds.

As with most things, it depends upon what you're willing to spend and what you really want. Tesla is marketing their Model S, which is a luxury sedan that will go 0 to 60 in about 4 seconds, and 300 miles on a charge. I haven't seen one in real life, but they look pretty nice.

When you get into performance, though, you're talking about intangibles, as well. What I mean is, driving an EV is not exactly the same as driving a gas car. The acceleration is smooth. No gears to shift. There's also no power band in an EV. The torque is consistent throughout the RPM range, so that acceleration off the line is considerable, and continues all the way through. It's also very quiet.

Now... you might not like either of those things. Driving a Tesla Roadster wouldn't be anything like driving a Mustang. In the same vein, driving a BMW M3 is nothing like driving a a Mustang, either.

 

[CanuckMA]

And the quiet hum of an electric engine simply can't compare to 4 barrels openinig to dump fuel in a big block V8. :ultracool

 

[Xue Sheng]

And the quiet hum of an electric engine simply can't compare to 4 barrels openinig to dump fuel in a big block V8. :ultracool

ahh but I call electric cars Ninja cars...because they can sneak up on you

 

[shihansmurf]

No problem. As with any car, they will vary.

The LEAF, which is the commuter level car I have, will go 0 to 60 in about 7 seconds. It's said to top out over 90 mph. I run about 70 mph without a problem on the freeway. It's comparable to a Civic, Camry or something like that.

The Tesla Roadster, an all electric sports car, will go 0 to 60 in under 4 seconds.

As with most things, it depends upon what you're willing to spend and what you really want. Tesla is marketing their Model S, which is a luxury sedan that will go 0 to 60 in about 4 seconds, and 300 miles on a charge. I haven't seen one in real life, but they look pretty nice.

When you get into performance, though, you're talking about intangibles, as well. What I mean is, driving an EV is not exactly the same as driving a gas car. The acceleration is smooth. No gears to shift. There's also no power band in an EV. The torque is consistent throughout the RPM range, so that acceleration off the line is considerable, and continues all the way through. It's also very quiet.

Now... you might not like either of those things. Driving a Tesla Roadster wouldn't be anything like driving a Mustang. In the same vein, driving a BMW M3 is nothing like driving a a Mustang, either.

That is pretty cool. I may have to look into this whole electric car idea.

Thank for the info.

Mark