What I see when I do my forms.

[windwalker099]

Interesting comment's
It might be hard to understand something one
does not practice just watching it...

What's wrong with this video? When he dodges under his opponent's right arm, his opponent's right elbow can strike on his face (This is why I like silent video. You don't need any words to pass information).



If I move into your right side door and punch on your chest, your right elbow can strike on my head.

I may say the point being made is "I'm fast enough to move into your side door and punch your chest". But you can also say, "But my right elbow can hit your head before you can punch on my chest".

Who is right, and who is wrong? IMO, it's my fault that I didn't control your right elbow joint and let you to have opportunity to hit me.

It's neither right or wrong..."for me"
Not something I would do, train to do, or would want to do

By not listening to the narrative, you miss the point that he describes this as "a lead arm jab." He goes on to describe the differences in footwork between Hop Gar and other styles.

In Hop Gar and Tibetan White Crane, horse and footwork are very unique. In this case, he mentions using circular footwork to move off-center, asking the demo partner to throw the "lead arm jab" slowly.

He emphasizes watching the shoulders, understanding he will not have time to move when the "jab" is thrown at normal speed.

This is what his "timing" is based on.

Tibetan White Crane (TWC) and Hop Gar typically don't block or attempt to control the arm as mentioned. Instead, they are built around four core concepts:

残 (Chan) - Ruthlessness
闪 (Sim) - Evasion
穿 (Chuen) - Piercing
截 (Jeet) - Intercepting

Here is an example. It's an open guard-strike partner drill. My left hand controls my opponent's right arm to prevent his right punch.

In your opinion, my left hand control right arm is not needed since it's not part of the open guard-strike partner drill. To me, this part is necessary to guarantee the safety of my entering strategy.

IME this would not work, against TWC exponent, not an opinion.


!. Why it wouldn't work is covered in the narrative that you didn't listen to.
Stepping or stepping back...Is why he mentions " Circular footwork"

2. The demo is against a "lead arm jab" not a static "open guard-strike"

3. the horse, foot work used different making it work.

Maybe I'm wrong.
Does anyone on Martial Talk throw punch like the guy in the white pants when they spar? Or maybe the better question when you spart System A vs System B. Does System B punch you like this? If not then the next question should be "Am I calibrating this technique to work against the punches that I'm going to get."
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What would be the point of me leaving a comment? People will learn the hard way if they actually spar with the techniques that they train. If they aren't going to spar using that technique, then none of what he showed matters. It would be like telling a boxer how to do a kung fu technique. It doesn't matter because the boxer isn't goin to use the kung fu technique anyway.

Not an issue of right or wrong..


In watching your clips, while you do use long arm, as mentioned it reminds me of Hung Gar or maybe Choy Li Fut
both not the same as either TWC or Hop gar.

"spar with the techniques that they train ".

we did...

Thanks for the comments...Understand the skepticism...
Something I corrected with all those that I would met in my younger yrs...

a noted teacher of Hop gar, friend of mine
Showing almost the same thing being discussed

 

[windwalker099]

The horse and foot work, trained in many different ways
key to making everything work..

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

If you throw a simple "groin kick, face punch" combo at your opponent. If he can't deal with that, what does that mean?

I think a simple test like this can distinguish a fake from real.

Well that’s not too polite

 

[windwalker099]

@JowGaWolf

In watching your clips, while you do use long arm, as mentioned it reminds me of Hung Gar or maybe Choy Li Fut
both not the same as either TWC or Hop gar.

The difference specifically mentioned in the video clip.

Often overlooked are range and distance.
In this clip, he explains what I found in my own testing—due to the horse and footwork, the long arm reach is naturally longer than most people using boxing-type punches.

闪 (Sim) - Evasion

This gives an advantage that, in my experience, was hard to overcome.

He mentions punching is blocking

截 (Jeet) - Intercepting

残 (Chan) - Ruthlessness
闪 (Sim) - Evasion
穿 (Chuen) - Piercing
截 (Jeet) - Intercepting

 

[JowGaWolf]

If I calibrate my technique or conept to work off this
Stance high, Knees stright, punch over extended. Then I have to understand that the "calibration" will work only for this "Jab Setting". If 80% of the people do not punch with this type of jab, then it means that your "calibration" (apporach) will fail 80% of the time

This is the structure of my jab knees bent, and wide stance, My jab doesn't over extend.
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This is a long range jab that is a closer fit to what you showed. You will get this type of jab from someone trying to punch maximum range (over extended). The reason I say over extended because it starts to break the structure of the core. The problem with this jab is distance take note how wide his stance is. Notice the position of the head of white pants compared to the position of his core. His core is much further away.

Hed is in line with torso. So even though both are throwing the jab with straight legs, The stance width is greatly different and the distance of the torso from the opponent are not the same.

The way that I show how stance level changes is to have the person stand tall like the Kung fu guy in the image above and have their fist rest on wall. Then I ask them to create a wider stance by only moving the rear foot backwards. Instantly they will see and understand how the stance change moves their torso back.
If you do this with straight legs the torso move back and when you sit down in the stance to create a horse stance it wil lmove back further.

The next thing I have them do is to take the lower stance and position themselves so that the fist touches the wall while in the lower stance. Then I ask them to stand up taller. What they discover is that their punching arms starts to jam aganst the wall.

Why is all of this important? Because when you do a demo you need to take these into account so that your demo is accurate to the application of the technique against the realities of the attack and defense of an opponent.

Demos should be based on how opponents actually attack so that you don't make inaccurate analysis about what is possible. This is why I like to use my videos as sparring becasue in sparring, everything is more accurate in terms of how my sparring partner attacks. If I use a demo person then I have to make sure that my demo person gives me accurate attacks.