What I see when I do my forms.

[JowGaWolf]

Not judging his practice only noting that his posture seemed broken
Alignment and body twisting, hips and shoulders, not aligned ect...

contrasted with clip posted for comparison.

This teacher explains the power train.
Touches on the difference's of how some methods do not use the power train.

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Some I agreed with but I didn't like the modern, western comparison about what can be done against one fighter. Kung Fu kills me when they do that without actually fighting those other systems. Boxing knows more than one way to drive power.

Now his forward movement theory is all busted. If that's the only thing that he considers modern then he's in for a big surprise.

He could fall upon emptiness like this guy did kiss the mat.

Circular movement can be horizontally, vertically, and diagonally. If I'm close enough to put my hand on a boxer's hip then I'm too close to be doing that. Some punch with heel down, and some punch with heel up.

As good as Muay Thai fighters are many of them still prefer to kick the boxer's legs instead of getting into a boxing match with a boxer. Kung Fu practitioners don't fight boxers and when they do, they don't fair well.

I do kung Fu. I will not Box a Boxer. That contact on a boxer's arm is much shorter than what he expects. Boxers will not leave their arms out so that someone can feel them out.

When they use long guard, they would be feeling him out. Short guard is going to come with a lot of body movement.

Maybe that other guy I'm chatting with just made me grumpy for the week? lol

 

[JowGaWolf]

his teacher explains the power train.
Touches on the difference's of how some methods do not use the power train.

I have a better way to say what I was trying to get out earlier. I would say the concept is correct but the context and perspective of what is believed to be a western power train is based on is incomplete.

A more complete analysis would be to collect the various ways that western fighters/ boxers drive their power and being more specific about what applies and when.

 

[windwalker099]

Some I agreed with but I didn't like the modern, western comparison about what can be done against one fighter. Kung Fu kills me when they do that without actually fighting those other systems. Boxing knows more than one way to drive power.

He was speaking in general terms
It's a theory based on his experience and testing.
If you check his channel he has a lot of experience with different systems.

Now his forward movement theory is all busted. If that's the only thing that he considers modern then he's in for a big surprise.

How so ?
It's a video with limited time and scope...

I do kung Fu. I will not Box a Boxer. That contact on a boxer's arm is much shorter than what he expects. Boxers will not leave their arms out so that someone can feel them out.

When they use long guard, they would be feeling him out. Short guard is going to come with a lot of body movement.


Maybe that other guy I'm chatting with just made me grumpy for the week? lol

Maybe so..

When younger had no problems dealing with those who said they boxed...using Tibetan White Crane.
They where at the disadvantage. With out kicking, my long arm coupled with the type of horse and foot work we used
gave me the advantage...Something most of them couldn't handle..

Wasn't about "feeling the arm out" used to kill the arm going in....
with TWC, long ago.

With something like taiji. . There is no "feeling out"
disrupting the balance is on contact, with what ever is contacted with.

Even before contact is made depending on level

Bear in mind English is not his native language.
The way he explains it, is different had he been speaking in his native Chinese.

There were things I would have explained differently, using different verbiage.
Over all, I like the teacher and his approach making IMA more accessible, testing it,
trying to express it in modern language, aligning it with western based theories
when possible.

note:

Teacher Pang, is a friend of mine.
We chat every once in a while about CMA/IMA

Should any have recommendations to help make his content better
for English speakers...let me know I can pass them on..

 

[Badhabits]

That's because his movements are without function. He's repeating movement that he sees. He's not repeating movement from function.

If I ask you to show me the movement of how you hit a heavy bag. Your movement would be functional because you have hit a heavy bag before. If I asked someone who has never hit a heavy bag before, then their punch will look different. Your movement will calculate the impact that your punch must withstand, and the structure required. As for the other person, they have no reference for that impact and as a result, the punch looks lighter.

Let these kids hit an object and their air punching will greatly improve.

This kids hit things which is why their punches move the way that they do.

Some of these people have actually used upper cuts. Then there's some who clearly have never hit the bags or the pads. For some the most power they ever need to use is for hitting the air.

Form comes from Application

Our 5 year old granddaughter lives with us, that child loves to rough house and play fight. We do a lot of "training play" since she has so much fun with it. She doesn't do air punches, she hits me and sometimes pads and the double end bag. Lol I thought she was just a natural, but maybe it's having a target to hit- she already gets body rotation behind her punches and drives her fist with the elbow behind it. Pretty good for a five year old. She'll drive forward with her legs as well, but I think that's due to play fighting in the pool- the water provides resistance so she pretty much has to drive with legs to get the punch to me.

 

[Badhabits]

This is beginner training to pivot the feet out. It's helps beginners to find the general distance for a good horse stance. I personally don't use it in my forms even when it's part of the opening of a form after the bow. I don't like then tension that it places on my knees. I prefer to step out into horse or to drop into horse.

Gotcha.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

When I first started practicing with my last Taiji teacher's group, realized the importance of not using the arms. This led me to focus on practicing movements without engaging my arms, imagining they were there but intentionally keeping them inactive.

Later on, a little surprised to find the same idea reflected in this teachers writings.

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My teacher had us do the long form with arms folded to get the foot work correct. Not as easy as it initially seemed.

 

[windwalker099]

My teacher had us do the long form with arms folded to get the foot work correct. Not as easy as it initially seemed.

Agree, also depends on how and why it's done as a practice.

For me it was to focus on the
Three Internal Harmonies (内三合, Nei San He)

Something I didn't know about at the time but intuitively felt was being done,
understanding it wasn't about using the body.

Some have talked about Six Harmonies" (六合, Liu He)

Only mentioning the:

Three External Harmonies (外三合, Wai San He)

1. Shoulders Harmonize with Hips (肩与胯合, Jian Yu Kua He)
2. Elbows Harmonize with Knees (肘与膝合, Zhou Yu Xi He)
3. Hands Harmonize with Feet (手与足合, Shou Yu Zu He)

Viewed in this way, it can be construed as each driving the other, as part of a "kinetic chain" or "power chain"
instead of 'harmonizing' with the:

Three Internal Harmonies (内三合, Nei San He)

1. Heart Harmonizes with Intention (心与意合, Xin Yu Yi He)
2. Intention Harmonizes with Qi (意与气合, Yi Yu Qi He)
3. Qi Harmonizes with Power (气与力合, Qi Yu Li He)

Taken together referred to as
Six Harmonies" (六合, Liu He)

Often talked about in a broader concept referred to simply as 内外合一 (nèi wài hé yī),
meaning internal and external combined.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Agree, also depends on how and why it's done as a practice.

For me it was to focus on the
Three Internal Harmonies (内三合, Nei San He)

Something I didn't know about at the time but intuitively felt was being done,
understanding it wasn't about using the body.

Some have talked about Six Harmonies" (六合, Liu He)

Only mentioning the:

Three External Harmonies (外三合, Wai San He)

1. Shoulders Harmonize with Hips (肩与胯合, Jian Yu Kua He)
2. Elbows Harmonize with Knees (肘与膝合, Zhou Yu Xi He)
3. Hands Harmonize with Feet (手与足合, Shou Yu Zu He)

Viewed in this way, it can be construed as each driving the other, as part of a "kinetic chain" or "power chain"
instead of 'harmonizing' with the:

Three Internal Harmonies (内三合, Nei San He)

1. Heart Harmonizes with Intention (心与意合, Xin Yu Yi He)
2. Intention Harmonizes with Qi (意与气合, Yi Yu Qi He)
3. Qi Harmonizes with Power (气与力合, Qi Yu Li He)

Taken together referred to as
Six Harmonies" (六合, Liu He)

It was mentioned that the exercises would lead to understanding the practice through experiences. Then later, that the practice would lead to understanding the theory. Then eventually, that the theory is review for those that have a practice shaped by experience. The internal harmonies cannot be experienced without the physical realities of the three external harmonies. One leads the other until they can be integrated and balanced. I continue to work at this without focusing on just this. These ideas in the body can be difficult to articulate without sounding like full of Wuxia.

 

[windwalker099]

These ideas in the body can be difficult to articulate without sounding like full of Wuxia.

Among those who's experiences are shaped by what was written in you'r post.
It's not a problem..

.the conversation is different.
More about different methods, and experiences shared in developing it.

Instead of prove it.

To those reading who have not, indeed it can sound like "Wuxia"

For others not writing from experience it can be very confusing as what they write about,
often not consistent with those having the experience or developed the skill sets.

Can be a problem...

 

[Badhabits]

There y'all go, talking about chi balls again

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

There y'all go, talking about chi balls again

It’s called a Haduken…

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Among those who's experiences are shaped by what was written in you'r post.
It's not a problem...the conversation is different.
More about different methods, and experiences shared in developing it.

Instead of prove it.

To those reading who have not, indeed it can sound like "Wuxia"

For others not writing from experience it can be very confusing as what they write about,
often not consistent with those having the experience or developed the skill sets.

Can be a problem...

I’m definitely in the “prove it” or “can you do it while I hit you” crowd. That said, there are a few out there that can.

 

[Badhabits]

 

[Badhabits]

Sorry, I've been dying to post that last one somewhere!

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Sorry, I've been dying to post that last one somewhere!

I misspelled it. It’s apparently Hadouken.

 

[marvin8]

He was speaking in general terms
It's a theory based on his experience and testing.
If you check his channel he has a lot of experience with different systems.

How so ?
It's a video with limited time and scope...

He is comparing two different movements, rear hand straight vs a lead hand push. Boxing uses both lead and rear hand. Also, strikes include jab, hook, uppercut, cross and overhand.

Adam Mizner taiji rear hand strike.

https://imgur.com/45mpVoa

Chen Jian Qiang taiji rear hand strike.

https://imgur.com/PV4KskV

A MMA lead hand push.

https://imgur.com/bQaOSnz

Should any have recommendations to help make his content better
for English speakers...let me know I can pass them on..

If comparing fighting styles, then include fighting clips not just theory and demoes.

 

[windwalker099]

I’m definitely in the “prove it” or “can you do it while I hit you” crowd. That said, there are a few out there that can.

On a discussion board ?

What proof do you or others offer besides their writing that they can do what they say they practice ?

The visit me thing a red herring , as most people posting are not gonna go all over the place to visit other people .

Why would they?

two aspects to this.

1. the skill set itself.
2. the skill set in a used live

Most demo’s focus on the skill sets

 

[windwalker099]

If comparing fighting styles, then include fighting clips not just theory and demoes.

Clips of others , using them to support , arguments, or theories posted ?

What’s different?

For those interested they can review his channel. There are clips of live training interactions.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

On a discussion board ?

What proof do you or others offer besides their writing that they can do what they say they practice ?

The visit me thing a red herring , as most people posting are not gonna go all over the place to visit other people .

Why would they?

two aspects to this.

1. the skill set itself.
2. the skill set in a used live

Most demo’s focus on the skill sets

I’m talking about in the past, in attitude, and in person. There was a time when I liked to try people on in other schools, other styles etc. particularly if they made big claims about their ability or understanding. I’m mostly past that ( acquired injuries and age )but I am still skeptical about martial arts claims in general. I find that vat majority of the regulars here are consistent and legitimate martial artists with many years of experience in their respective arts. I have nothing but respect for people who work hard and tell the truth.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Clips of others , using them to support , arguments, or theories posted ?

What’s different?

For those interested they can review his channel. There are clips of live training interactions.

Videos are just that, videos. I don’t care much for it in the way of using it as evidence of skill or understanding. I don’t think it can be used as a replacement for teaching either, some things must be felt or experienced. It’s hard to sus out the BS in a video.