Any training that emphasizes on body instead of on the arms is good training. In CMA, that's called "body method" training.
To stay in horse stance and only punch with your arms is the opposite.
What I see when I do my forms.
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To stay in horse stance and only punch with your arms is the opposite.
Exaggeration is for the beginners. The Baji foot stomp on the ground is a good example. IMO, that Baji foot stomp serves as a drum beat.
I had an instructor who would sometimes have us do kata without the arms. Just footwork and body movement. Good training
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Prince_Alarming
Black Belt
Our instructor does this too- she quite often has us do crazy stuff, like doing the kata backwards and swapping out techniques. Keeps us on our toes.I had an instructor who would sometimes have us do kata without the arms. Just footwork and body movement. Good training
Doing the mirror image of a kata is fun.
windwalker099
2nd Black Belt
I had an instructor who would sometimes have us do kata without the arms. Just footwork and body movement. Good training
When I first started practicing with my last Taiji teacher's group, realized the importance of not using the arms. This led me to focus on practicing movements without engaging my arms, imagining they were there but intentionally keeping them inactive.
Later on, a little surprised to find the same idea reflected in this teachers writings.
汪永泉授楊式太極拳語錄及拳照
Wang Yongquan Writings on Yang Style Tai Chi
Chuan
Nice video. I see stuff in common with karate for sure. I'm curious about your take on pivoting your feet out into the wide stance ( looks like horse stance or rooted stance to me but not sure )
I started hitting bags with my shoulder- punching with the body but not the arm.
It's also another good use of the makiwara. Placing a fist or block or whatever on the post and pushing into it using your body. The post pushes back so it really highlights weaknesses in your structure and how you're directing force. Training the body independently of the arms ought to be something everyone practices IMO
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This is true if the person is just extending their arms. It's not true if they are trying to throw a functional punch which is one that would be with force. This is why training for the purpose of function is important. If you look for function the body will move accordingly.
None of these kids know about 6 harmonies. But you can see while they are in horse stance how the body naturally tries to drive power. You can also see where the older kids punch but they aren't trying to drive power. When you don't seek power then there's no need to drive power.
The body will always try to coordinate itself when function is the goal.
This guy does not seek to punch with power. He just extends arms. If I see this when training people, then I will place a pad in front of them and tell them to punch the pad hard. Now they have a function. I could follow everything required to be done by 6 harmonies and still fail at it if I do not have function as a goal, focus, or purpose.
windwalker099
2nd Black Belt
Your post interesting in your mentioning this type of training..
What was outlined is different based, on a different theory...
In our practice, the emphasis is on training the mind intent (意, yì) , harmonizing the six harmonies (六和, liù hé).
It’s not primarily structure-based, makes it a little different from other approaches.
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windwalker099
2nd Black Belt
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I train my footwork this way. I chamber my fist and only do the footwork. And you are right, it's excellent training. The Jow Ga school up north tried to do the same thing. Even though they know more forms than me, they had trouble just doing the footwork.I had an instructor who would sometimes have us do kata without the arms. Just footwork and body movement. Good training
It's one of my favorite footwork drills to do. Especially because I still have to drive power even though I'm not using my arms.
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This is beginner training to pivot the feet out. It's helps beginners to find the general distance for a good horse stance. I personally don't use it in my forms even when it's part of the opening of a form after the bow. I don't like then tension that it places on my knees. I prefer to step out into horse or to drop into horse.
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yeah he hits stuff. lol. In the video that I posted, the guy tries to make the movements look pretty and noble. In the video that you posted, his movement looks rough in comparison. It even sounds rough in comparison. In the video I posted the guy plays meditation music. But I can see the energy drive through and exit his body.
I don't know how to explain better than that. I'm not talking chi balls or anything. But the body has a different look when it's trying to generate energy to strike hard and it has a different look when that energy exits.
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I do this to explain how to punch using the body. Before I took Kung fu it was how teens used to do pre-school fight. It was also an alpha male thing as well. If you walking towards me on the sidewalk and it didn't look like you want to move over a little, then I would bump into you.
Even though what this guy did was a prank. There's actually a lot of weight that goes into the bump.
windwalker099
2nd Black Belt
Not judging his practice only noting that his posture seemed broken
Alignment and body twisting, hips and shoulders, not aligned ect...
contrasted with clip posted for comparison.
This teacher explains the power train.
Touches on the difference's of how some methods do not use the power train.
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Wing Woo Gar
Senior Master
Well the video you showed must all be beginners?
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That's because his movements are without function. He's repeating movement that he sees. He's not repeating movement from function.
If I ask you to show me the movement of how you hit a heavy bag. Your movement would be functional because you have hit a heavy bag before. If I asked someone who has never hit a heavy bag before, then their punch will look different. Your movement will calculate the impact that your punch must withstand, and the structure required. As for the other person, they have no reference for that impact and as a result, the punch looks lighter.
Let these kids hit an object and their air punching will greatly improve.
This kids hit things which is why their punches move the way that they do.
Some of these people have actually used upper cuts. Then there's some who clearly have never hit the bags or the pads. For some the most power they ever need to use is for hitting the air.
Form comes from Application
