What I learned after 4 months of punching the heavy bag

[drop bear]

This is going nowhere, that's why I want to see demonstration like using punching from below the shoulder, big step horse stance in TKD forms to actually fight.

Of cause you can use the kicks, BUT, punching below the shoulder where you tuck your elbow in, and walk around with that horse stance to move around? I have to see these used in a real fight. If not, why people spend the time on those? Just practice the kicks, forget the forms!!!

Time has moved on, I am surprised so many people still holding on to the yester-decades.

Maybe I don't know enough, that's why I want people to demonstrate with video, maybe I can learn something. Maybe you can learn something too!!!

Interestingly if we look at portal movement or knees over toes. There could be a case for doing a bunch of weird movement to train structural strength and flexibility.

It doesn’t have to look like fighting because you are training other things.

But they make a case and then go on to justify that case.

So mabye I could do that weird systema kata or contact improv or something.

 

[Dirty Dog]

You only know how to insult? Don't you want to show people how you do it?

What insult? You keep asking for videos of people fighting using things in forms. You've seen countless examples, but you don't get it. That's very much a you problem.

 

[Alan0354]

When you were young, you learned forms from your teacher. One day when you become a teacher, you start to creat your own forms.

I was at least lucky(I also audition schools) to find a school that actually not doing forms. We drilled on things like you showed in the fight video INSTEAD of doing those useless TKD forms. Like in your video, we concentrate on front leg kicks like Bruce Lee instead of all the back leg kicks like in traditional TKD. All in drill practice, no forms.

Like those you called "add-on" in the other thread, those ARE the useful ones, the judo hip throws, leg trips and all that, those are the useful ones. Spend all the time on those, forget traditional forms.

Like I said, our teacher only made us practice forms 2 weeks before belt test as we have to go to HIS teacher's school to have the belt test. That's the only reason we even practice those forms.

 

[Alan0354]

What insult? You keep asking for videos of people fighting using things in forms. You've seen countless examples, but you don't get it. That's very much a you problem.

Sure, you are the moderator, you are right, more right than us.

 

[drop bear]

I think it's blind loyalty to tradition. I cannot believe it's been almost 50 years they got their behind handed to them and we still debate this. Funny after Bruce Lee died, so many of those so called "masters" came out and said they could beat Lee. They just totally avoid talking about MMA.

I mean here is a case to be made.

In that doing this kata for example means he can do movements that you or I could not even approximate.

Not fighting but teaching athleticism and range of movement.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

walk around with that horse stance to move around?

Do you see any value to train the hip throw solo form?

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Maybe someone can video tape some fights of themselves using moves from their forms so we can see. We might really learn something.

Like a punch or a kick? or footwork?

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Like those you called "add-on" in the other thread, those ARE the useful ones, the judo hip throws, leg trips and all that, those are the useful ones. Spend all the time on those, forget traditional forms.

Most of the time you just say what I want to say. If I call myself socialist, I may call you communist. I though I'm anti-traditional enough. You are just more anti-traditional than me.

Spend all the time on those forms that I have created and forget traditional forms is exactly what I'm doing.

Form:

Application:

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

I mean here is a case to be made.

In that doing this kata for example means he can do movements that you or I could not even approximate.

Not fighting but teaching athleticism and range of movement.

This is athletic but not necessarily martial. It doesn’t mean anything one way or another. Many can approximate these motions, Otherwise there wouldn’t be a video of the competition. It doesn’t mean he can or can’t use it. Lots of high school majorettes can possibly put him to shame. Now that said, he had to learn this through repetition of motion. That is, doing the skill. Same as how you teach. New guy comes in, you show him the skill and he repeats it until he is able to approximate your motion. What is the difference?

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Show me in those forms that do those. That's typical MMA stuffs that don't do any forms. These are pretty much the way we learn in our kick boxing/TKD school( no grappling and knee at the time)

And where do you think that came from? Outer space? UFC isnt divine inspiration it’s the evolution of prostitution.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Yeah. The way people think about it is wrong . Which is the issue. And that becomes really hard to deal with because they think these things like millions of people do it. So it has to work. Is some sort of iron clad evidence.

It is like the marketing has taken over the product.

You use YouTube videos of individuals for your evidence. Isn’t that the same? Why not post yourself teaching your higher quality method? Who are your students? What do they look like? You make a lot of assertions about other arts that you don’t practice. That’s like talking about dancing when you have never been on the floor.

 

[Alan0354]

And where do you think that came from? Outer space? UFC isnt divine inspiration it’s the evolution of prostitution.

UFC got rid of all the useless moves and only pick out the ones that works. That's how the new world is now.

 

[Flying Crane]

UFC got rid of all the useless moves and only pick out the ones that works. That's how the new world is now.

This is funny.

 

[Alan0354]

Interestingly if we look at portal movement or knees over toes. There could be a case for doing a bunch of weird movement to train structural strength and flexibility.

It doesn’t have to look like fighting because you are training other things.

But they make a case and then go on to justify that case.

So mabye I could do that weird systema kata or contact improv or something.

I do a lot of weir stuffs to fix myself, these are very important. I can write a multiple pages on my own body treatment using weights, stretches body movements. I am no expert, that's why I never share all these. But it works for me. Whatever I can do in MA, I credit all to those exercise.

But this is not part of the kata or form. None of the forms I've seen helps body injuries NOR make you stronger and have more muscles. That's is something that is very important to me. Not only you need skill, you need strength.

 

[Alan0354]

This is funny.

Well, they sure made TMA funny. You watched the first few UFC with all the kung fu people there? Now that was funny.

 

[Flying Crane]

I do a lot of weir stuffs to fix myself, these are very important. I can write a multiple pages on my own body treatment using weights, stretches body movements. I am no expert, that's why I never share all these. But it works for me. Whatever I can do in MA, I credit all to those exercise.

But this is not part of the kata or form. None of the forms I've seen helps body injuries NOR make you stronger and have more muscles. That's is something that is very important to me. Not only you need skill, you need strength.

You are welcome to train in any way that you like.

Let me ask you a question: you come here and spend a lot of time complaining about forms and how you don’t like them. Ok, you don’t have to like them, you don’t have to train them. That is your free choice.

So what are you trying to accomplish? What do you think will happen, if you just complain hard enough, about how other people train?

 

[Flying Crane]

Well, they sure made TMA funny. You watched the first few UFC with all the kung fu people there? Now that was funny.

Oh, I don’t waste my time watching UFC.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

UFC got rid of all the useless moves and only pick out the ones that works. That's how the new world is now.

I want what you are taking. It seems like a good flavor of kool aid.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

I do a lot of weir stuffs to fix myself, these are very important. I can write a multiple pages on my own body treatment using weights, stretches body movements. I am no expert, that's why I never share all these. But it works for me. Whatever I can do in MA, I credit all to those exercise.

But this is not part of the kata or form. None of the forms I've seen helps body injuries NOR make you stronger and have more muscles. That's is something that is very important to me. Not only you need skill, you need strength.

Maybe you are beyond kata. I think of kata as other people’s music. I want to play my own music but there is a process to getting there. Unless you are a prodigy, that means learning scales and chords first.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Well, they sure made TMA funny. You watched the first few UFC with all the kung fu people there? Now that was funny.

UFC got rid of all the useless moves and only pick out the ones that works. That's how the new world is now.

like kicks to the knee? Like elbows to back of head? Like groin strikes? Like air chokes? Like soccer kicks to prone opponents? Oh yeah that’s definitely stuff that doesn’t work.