What do you think of this logo?

[Makalakumu]

What do you think of this logo? This was the official seal for the Information Awareness Office.

Scientia Est Potentia

upnorthkyosa

 

[elder999]

Knowledge is power.

Otherwise, I have no comment...:uhoh:

 

[sgtmac_46]

What do you think of this logo? This was the official seal for the Information Awareness Office.

Scientia Est Potentia

upnorthkyosa

I assume shortly we're going to get an oratory about how the IAO has ditched that logo, and how John Poindexter (who we'll be reminded is a convicted criminal) is heading this "office".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Awareness_Office

If you were more a right wing conspiracy wonk (which I know you're not) we'd hear how it's really a symbol of the illuminati and the vast conspiracy to control the world.

Of course the fact that this logo was discontinued in 2002, kind of makes this whole discussion a bit dated.

Instead of playing 20 questions, why don't you tell us what you think of this logo.

 

[elder999]

.......and how John Poindexter (who we'll be reminded is a convicted criminal) is heading this "office".

I don't think Poindexter is heading it anymore-in fact, I know he's not-he's completely retired from DARPA...

.......Of course the fact that this logo was discontinued in 2002, kind of makes this whole discussion a bit dated

Of course, it wasn't simply "discontinued," either, as long as we're being "honest." The logo was pulled without explanation after the ridiculous flap over its "Masonic" symbology....

 

[Tgace]

Wheres my TIN FOIL???

 

[sgtmac_46]

Wheres my TIN FOIL???

Use Reynolds Wrap, it's far superior in blocking the brain control waves. The generic stuff lets some get through.

Of course, it wasn't simply "discontinued," either, as long as we're being "honest." The logo was pulled without explanation after the ridiculous flap over its "Masonic" symbology....

"Pulled without explanation?" lol. As if they needed a press release. They probably thought it would be funnier to pull it with out explaining why, then they could read about all sorts of "sinister" motives for doing so on the internet.

Simple explanation: A bunch of kooks started flipping about the Illuminati, conspriacy theories and brain waves, so they figured the easiest thing to do would be to eliminate the logo so as to give the nut cakes one less thing to get off their Seroquel about. :erg:

 

[elder999]

"Pulled without explanation?" lol. As if they needed a press release. They probably thought it would be funnier to pull it with out explaining why, then they could read about all sorts of "sinister" motives for doing so on the internet.

Simple explanation: A bunch of kooks started flipping about the Illuminati, conspriacy theories and brain waves, so they figured the easiest thing to do would be to eliminate the logo so as to give the nut cakes one less thing to get off their Seroquel about. :erg:

It's true. Why don't you post a link to their current webpage for us, though?:lol2:

 

[sgtmac_46]

It's true. Why don't you post a link to their current webpage for us, though?:lol2:

I can't, the Illuminati stole it.

 

[Makalakumu]

Speaking of tin hats, this site...

www.stopabductions.com

Shows you how to make a real one.

My question is this. What the heck were people thinking! How could something like this NOT get the anti-freemasonic guys fired up!

 

[RRouuselot]

What do you think of this logo? This was the official seal for the Information Awareness Office.

Scientia Est Potentia

upnorthkyosa

Kind of “Masonic” don’t ya think?

 

[Makalakumu]

Kind of “Masonic” don’t ya think?

Uh, yeah. And its a little creepy.

 

[Tgace]

http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery...222_1&sbid=lc01b&linktext=conspiracy theories

 

[Makalakumu]

http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=19rt8mhpkbs5j?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Conspiracy+theory&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc01b&linktext=conspiracy%20theories

I was just reading the wiki entry the other night. I found this interesting...

Real life imitates conspiracy theory

What provides conspiracy theories with their power is that sometimes real life does imitate conspiracy theory. A number of actual government organizations or plans have been described as resembling the stuff of particularly paranoid conspiracy theories. Nonetheless, these are fully acknowledged by their respective governments, or by a broad consensus of mainstream experts, as being, or having been, real:

• The United States Department of Defense Information Awareness Office (IAO) has many similarities to conspiracy theories. First, its avowed purpose is to gather and correlate information on ordinary citizens for the purpose of predicting terrorism and other crime. Second, its logo depicted the eye in the pyramid, a symbol associated with Illuminati and Masonic representations of power or divinity, casting a beam over the globe of the Earth. This has since been changed. The original logo is still widely available on the internet, however. Lastly, the name "Iao" is a Gnostic word for God, used in the Golden Dawn and Thelema among others.
• The inner workings of the Mafia were unknown to outsiders until Joe Valachi revealed them in 1963.
• The Business Plot was exposed in 1933 when Major General Smedley Butler testified to Congress that a group of the wealthiest American industrialists had approached him to organize a coup d'etat to overthrow President Franklin D. Roosevelt and establish a fascist government.
• Declassified papers as well as legal inquiries have shown that the CIA was involved in many coups d'état, including the overthrow of Jacobo Arbenz Guzman and Salvador Allende.
• From the 1950s to the 1970s, the CIA and the U.S. Army operated a research program into mind control, codenamed MKULTRA. In this program, CIA agents gave LSD and other drugs to unwitting and unconsenting victims, in an effort to devise a working "Truth serum" and/or mind-control drug. MKULTRA was uncovered by Presidential and Congressional research committees in 1975, and discontinued at that time. Many prominent writers and drug figures were first exposed to LSD under this program, including Ken Kesey of the Merry Pranksters, Timothy Leary, Allen Ginsberg, and Baba Ram Dass (Richard Alpert). A source on this is the book Acid Dreams by Bruce Shalin and Martin A. Lee. Future 'Unabomber' Theodore Kaczynski underwent a "stress" experiment as a Harvard undergraduate under direction of Henry Murray of the OSS, precursor to the CIA, in the same time period as the Leary experiments, but there is no evidence Kaczynski was given LSD.
• ECHELON is a communications interception network operated by the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. It is designed to capture telephone calls, fax and e-mail messages. New Zealand has openly admitted the existence of Echelon, and the European Union commissioned a report on the system.
• In the 2003 Iraq War, Iraqi resistance was strong at first and then collapsed suddenly. A conspiracy theory emerged in Iraq and elsewhere that there had been a safqah—Arabic for "secret deal"—between the U.S. and the Iraqi military elite, wherein the elite were bribed to stand down. This conspiracy theory was ignored or ridiculed in the U.S. media. In late May 2003, General Tommy Franks, who had been the head of the US forces in the conflict, confirmed in an interview with Defense News that the US government had paid off high-level Iraqi military officials and that they had stated that "I am working for you now". How important this was to the course of the conflict was not entirely clear at the time of this writing (May 24, 2003).
• Operation Northwoods, a United States Department of Defense plan to commit acts of terrorism (real and/or simulated) and blame them on Cuba to encourage support for a war, was long considered to be nothing but a conspiracy theory—until the project's documents were declassified and published. The operation was approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but never carried out.
• The Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male. For a period of 50 years, the U.S. Government used some members of the black population of a town in Alabama to observe the effects of untreated syphilis. The participants were not asked to participate and were not told they were not being treated for their syphilis.

I did not know that IAO was the gnostic word for god and that it was used by the golden dawn. Again, I have to ask..."what were they thinking!"

 

[Tgace]

http://www.publiceye.org/top_conspire.html

Conspiracism as part of an anti-regime populist movement works in a different fashion. Populist conspiracism sees secret plots by tiny cabals of evildoers as the major motor powering important historical events. Conspiracism tries to figure out how power is exercised in society, but ends up oversimplifying the complexites of modern society by blaming societal problems on manipulation by a handful of evil individuals. This is not an analysis that accurately evaluates the systems, structures and institutions of modern society. As such, conspiracism is neither investigative reporting, which seeks to expose actual conspiracies through careful research; nor is it power structure research, which seeks to accurately analyze the distribution of power and privilege in a society.

Debunking Conspiracism

• Debunking the Federal Reserve Conspiracy Theories
  by Edward Flaherty (Visit his website)
• Debunking Conspiracy Myths
  by Damien Falgoust
• Floodlight
  by Gerry Rough
• Facts about freemasonry and anti-masonry points of view
  by Ed King
• Criticisms of Freemasonry & Where to Find Refutations of those Criticisms
  by Paul M. Bessel
• The Tax Protestor FAQ - Daniel B. Evans
• The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) by Diana Reynolds - an example of power structure research without conspiracism

Research Skills, Logic, & Propaganda

Selected Websites Sites Promoting Conspiracism

​

 

[Makalakumu]

Be that as it may, one doesn't have to look too far in order to find some REAL stuff. MKULTRA and MKDELTA for instance. That stuff seems like fiction, but the scary part is that it was real...and really ****ed up.

Shouting "conspiracy" too often is nothing but pulling the wool over ones eyes.

Again, this logo is striking. One would think the government would think about its image and not even propose such a thing. Unfortunately, publishing that was like throwing gasoline on a fire.

 

[Tgace]

"All conspiracist theories start with a grain of truth, which is then transmogrified with hyperbole and filtered through pre-existing myth and prejudice."

 

[Makalakumu]

So, what makes a "conspiracy theory" a conspiracy theory?

Operation Northwoods and MKULTRA were both considered conspiracy theories and just so happened to be real.

 

[Tgace]

"As Umberto Eco notes in one of his books, conspiracy theories help to bring order to a disordered world. Rather than having to accept that uncontrollable forces cause economic and social dislocations, we can point blame to a guiding hand in the misfortunes of history, and hopefully alleviate our social problems by releasing the grip of that hand...

The danger of conspiracy theorizing is that it can lead to such demonization and scapegoating - if not of Jews, then of Catholics, Masons, or people named Rockefeller. Finding a scapegoat is convenient - the ancient Hebrews would place all their sins upon the 'Azazel' (scape-goat) and then drive it into the wilderness to rid themselves of evil. It enables a society to somehow localize evil and cast it out, and to remove a fixed 'disease' from the body politic. Whether called 'ethnic hygiene' or 'ethnic cleansing,' such notions often lead to genocide. Conspiracies always will exist: groups of individuals will conspire for short-term goals and interests, and people are right to be watchful of such things. But the notion that there is some fixed Enemy who has operated throughout history, threatening Civilization itself since the beginning, is merely the "Devil theory" updated for the modern age. And it is a poisonous and dangerous idea."

-Steve Mizrach

 

[Tgace]

Misguided and immoral research into mind control is no more "proof" of conspiracy theories than say..researchers that study cloning are really part of a huge government conspiracy to develop a race of perfect soldiers to implement a plan for world domination.

 

[Makalakumu]

That doesn't answer the question. How do you recognize a conspiracy theory? People thought MKULTRA and Operation Northwoods were conspiracy theories, but they were wrong. People thought that the alleged involvement of the CIA in various coups around the world were conspiracy theories and they, too, were wrong. Check out that post above...real life sometimes imitates conspiracy theory. How can you tell the difference?