47MartialMan
Master of Arts
I am not syaing that the techniques and/or methods are entirly the same. I am saying that do they share a common lineage?dsp921 said:
Danjo
Master Black Belt
Here's the family tree/lineage chart for you from John Bishop's web site: http://www.kajukenboinfo.com/kenpofamilytree.cfm47MartialMan said:
47MartialMan
Master of Arts
THANK YOU!!, THANK YOU!!, THANK YOU!:asian:Danjo said:
This is what I have been curious about...
Goldendragon7
Grandmaster
Exactly what, written where and by who?:idunno:Danjo said:
Well then it must be so if his people say so.:idunno:Danjo said:
Yes, to my knowledge he received his black belt from Chow, this is common knowledge, as to the other promotions.... like you say speculation. What I do know is that no one including Chow dared to dispute any of his ranks when he was alive with him...... would you?Danjo said:
It is also well known that Emperado was his senior and he even stated that himself to me. However, I believe the 8th was a gesture of accomplishment from Emperado not a necessity or asked for. There you have it.Danjo said:
:asian:
An Eternal Student
Orange Belt
Does anyone know if there are any Kajukenbo dojo's in Ireland?It seems that there are a whole load of styles that have never shown up over here, more's the pity.
Danjo
Master Black Belt
1) It's in many places on the net. I'll find some and post said links.Goldendragon7 said:
2) Cerio's people are not to be trusted, but we take your say so at face value?
3) I think it's more that Chow didn't BOTHER to dispute Parker's claims, not that he didn't DARE. I don't think Chow was afraid of Parker.
Anyways, I've got nothing against Parker, just those students of his that think he walked on water and the rest were having trouble dog paddling.
Goldendragon7
Grandmaster
Danjo said:
I never said that they are not to be trusted, time seems to alter a lot of history these days.....
As for me, I think my track record speaks for itself, like any one else, believe it or don't (that's up to the individual)...... LOL I was there at the time.
Danjo said:
Personally I don't think he was afraid of Ed Parker either, but since HE didn't bother then why the hell should anyone else either, after all, it was his student.
Danjo said:
Well, he knew himself that he didn't walk on water (only 1 did that), but he was quite the innovater! I know, and agree, that some take that a bit far at times.
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dsp921
Green Belt
I think that this is probably the best advice possible for this and many debates that seem to repeat themselves on the various forums. Do your research, talk to whoever you can, gather your information and make your decision. In the end it doesn't change how you train or what you learn. It would be nice to see the Kenpo community get along better at times, but what family doesn't have it's disagreements?Goldendragon7 said:
Goldendragon7
Grandmaster
:wink:dsp921 said:
DavidCC
Master of Arts
You can buy it right now at http://www.kempokarate.com/geary_collection.cfmDanjo said:
It is on the DVD titled
"Sijo Gascon visits Omaha" you get the interview as well as a seminar presented by Prof. Rash and Sigung Namahoe, and the footage of the 6th degree promotion ceremony. Sigung Namhoe does some brick breaking too...
Uhhhh, wrong. You really should research this before posting something that claims that Castro has been lying all of these years.
GGM Castro lived in Hawaii. He was a student of Professor Chow until he moved to the SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA. He never lived in Southern California and never actually was taught by SGM Parker. Now, IT IS TRUE that SGM Parker gave GGM Castro his first black belt. But, it was awarded in recognition of Castro's proficiency in the art of Kenpo (as taught by Professor Chow) NOT in American Kenpo. At the time, GGM Castro did not know if he would ever see the Professor again. The black belt was also given to him for business reasons because this brought GGM Castros school into the Ed Parker fold. I believe that SGM Parker continued to give rank to GGM Castro until Castro recieved his grandmastership directly from Professor Chow. I know that GGM Castro was given his 9th degree black belt from Professor Chow and I remember my first belt ranking certificate (Purple belt back in 1982) had both Professor Chow and GGM Castro's signature on it.
Here are a few articles to help dispell this myth before it passes around the Internet.
http://www.shaolinkenpo.com/memorial.htm
Highlights of above article:
Ralph Castro:
I first met Ed in 1954 while we were in Coast Guard training in Alameda, California. I found out about him because he was a local boy from Hawaii like me, so we used to get together and play the ukulele. We passed the time away by entertaining ourselves and our friends. I didn't know at that time that he knew karate.
The year after my discharge from the service, I went back to Hawaii to train with Professor William Chow. Professor Chow had some pictures, and I recognized Ed Parker, who was a brown belt at that time. I said "My God, I know this man very well. We served together in the service." When I left Professor Chow to come to the mainland, I contacted Ed.
I joined his association and he helped me with my business. I also received my first black belt from Ed Parker, and I treated him as my senior, since I could no longer train with Professor Chow. I received rank promotions from him until the later years, when I was recognized by Professor Chow, who promoted me to the rank that I am.
http://www.shaolinkenpo.com/faqs.htm
In 1960, Ed Parker gave Ralph Castro a black belt to recognize his proficiency in kenpo karate. Parker thus endorsed Ralph Castro and his large school (Ralph Castro Kenpo Karate, San Francisco, started in 1958) in the KKAA. That recognition, and their subsequent collaboration, expanded the membership and influence of the KKAA into northern California. In turn, it provided an early network for Ralph Castro and his school to have a relationship with the kenpo practitioners who were based in southern California.
The black belt award from Ed Parker placed Ralph Castro in the Parker lineage (family tree) among his earliest black belts. Today, some who don't know the history, have a false impression that Ralph Castro was a student of Ed Parker, or that he studied American Kenpo Karate. Not true -- Ralph Castro and his school were among the exceptions who were members of Ed Parker's associations by affiliation only. Ralph Castro was not a student of Ed Parker, but their professional relationship stemmed from the fact that they both had studied under the same teacher, Professor Chow. Later, after the formation of Ed Parker's International Kenpo Karate Association, IKKA (1963), Ralph Castro and his school changed affiliation to remain associated with, and supportive of, Ed Parker. It was IKKA that sanctioned the early years of Ralph Castro's California Karate Championship annual tournaments.
Hollywood1340
2nd Black Belt
I do believe of all people, Dennis has indeed done his research.
Danjo
Master Black Belt
Usually. But he's wrong on this one.
Danjo
Master Black Belt
It was in reference to this thread here: http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=385779&highlight=Cerio's+people+trusted#post385779
It was quite a while back. Dennis more implied it than directly stated it. The phrasing was my own, not his.
