Weight Training for a purpose? I.e. Police Officer, Doorman?

[swiftpete]

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[swiftpete]

Lol, yeah sorry I was just getting to quoting your post but my internet has been playing up, time to get broadband.

Nope, not going to be a doorman, though was considering it, I was looking to be a police officer, reasons being, well its a long story...
As a child I used to be intimidated by others not directly most of the time but on occasions, bullies, street thugs, drunks, those who would deem themselves to exercise their control over others that they believed they have, to intimidate them and make them fear for their safety. I didnt, and still dont like the idea of having to walk down the street and end up fighting or being intimidated by some local punk who's got a reputation for tipping paint over cars and setting them alight as well as mugging, abusing and insulting passer bys, being a police officer gives me a chance to do something about that, I like the idea of the adrenaline all night long (or not as some times maybe) and a job that is hardly mudane but can throw something new at you everytime, I also like the pay standards over here.

As for the smaller doorman, I would be more scared of the shorter ones, they seem to be harder, no let me re-phrase that, alot of them are harder than the taller ones, since they have to be, like my tkd instructor!!!

Cool, sound like good reasons. Same sort of ideas i think the superheroes have in the comicbooks too! Well i wish you the best of luck with it then.

 

[searcher]

If not, try the CSCS cert site...can't currently remember their org name, but if you look up "Certified Strength & Conditioning Specialist" you can find it online. Lots of good archived articles.

Regards,

D.

The site that you are looking for is the NSCA(National Strength and Conditioning Association).

 

[searcher]

Just a little tip for when you are lifting. Lift every rep with a heavy focus. Squeeze out every bit of force in each rep, even if the weight is light. Work your reps in a slow heavily contracted state. This will help condition your muscles to prepare for maximal force of a resisting person. Whether your weight you are lifting is light or heavy it will help condition the contractile fibers for exerting the most force you can.

 

[ave_turuta]

Is this the right attitude to have for a police officer? Should I be trying to look the part? Im a medium build anyway and am quite toned but I think maybe showing a little more 'mass' will add to the look? What do you guys think?

Hello! Dont take this the wrong way, but I felt a little uncomfortable reading your message. Why? Because a police officer is not just someone who beats the cr** out of "bad criminals." S/he is also a public servant, and as such much of your work will be related to helping people, regular folks like myself who actually feel very intimidated with the machoistic attitude of some officers out there. The key for me is you should be physically prepared to confront the challenges of your job while at the same time make sure that the public (i.e. the people who are paying your salary!) feels safe and comfortable around you and that they can respect you instead of fearing you. I think that a police officer must transmit confidence and respect first of all...

Good luck on your career plans!

Peace,
A.T.

 

[sgtmac_46]

Being big doesn't hurt as a cop. But it's no substitute for good training and good tactics. Combining all of those things together can really help.

Being a cop for nearly 10 years, and being 6'5 280, I really can't say my size has hurt me. I don't think it's big or small cops that get tested, I think it's usually new cops that get tested. In the last few years, my size, reputation for being tough but fair, along with good tactics and a little diplomacy, have really reduced the amount of force I have had to use on subjects.

That having been said, if you're not 6'5 280, you just have to make up for it with good tactics and training. Not everyone can be the strongest person in the world, but everyone can be stronger than they are.

 

[Tgace]

Exactly.

 

[Adept]

Thanks adept, would that be the same for building strength though?

Raw strength is directly linked to muscle size. The larger your muscles, the more weight they can handle, the stronger they are.

Say for example I did 3 sets of 1-5 reps on a wieght that was 80% of my maximum with say a 2/3 minute rest whats that going to build? or is it just going to knacker me out?

Regards

It will do something, but I find that I get the best results when I start with 60%-70% of my max weight, then decrease the number of reps as I increase the weight to about 90% of my max weight, as I outlined in my last post.

 

[Tony]

Recently I've been coming to the terms that my training has nothing do to with sparring or traditional MA, even though I do incorporate some of these aspects into my own training. Recently my training has been towards the focus of that suiting a Police Officer or Doorman therefore as you guessed I have no need to train as though I'm scoring points and can utlize every weapon in my arsonal (not saying that they dont!!!), however one idea is that you may need to look the part.
Giving an example being that you would expect a doorman or bouncer whatever you like to call them, to give out the appearance of being 'hard' or 'capable'.

Since Im aiming towards being a police officer I'm not sure what kind of appearence that I should be given out, I'm thinking that I should gain some strength for dealing with those pesky criminals when it turns to arrests, whilst at the same time building some serious muscle!
Would you guys recommend muscle building? That is right isnt it? To build raw strength is to build raw muscle and that can be done by supersets and high intensity training, is that correct?

While I'm on the point, will building raw muscle effect my technique or speed, the common myth being more body mass you have the slower you are, I mean I'm not the thickest set of people and I dont think that no matter how much mass I build its not going to have an Arnold effect or really effect my speed, instead I'm going for the Bruce Lee look, but kind of thicker!

Is this the right attitude to have for a police officer? Should I be trying to look the part? Im a medium build anyway and am quite toned but I think maybe showing a little more 'mass' will add to the look? What do you guys think?

What kind of weight training should I be undertaking? for the idea of a police officer? If there are officers on here I would like to hear from you!
Kind Regards
C.H

Hi Corporal Hicks

I read your other post on imtimidation and I know how that feels as I'm of medium build, only 5'7 and I still feel very afraid when walking down town at night or entering a club or bar. The risk of conflict is ever present but I try to stay away from trouble and to my credit I have not been invlved in a fight since I was 17 which is very good considering I'm 28 now but after 6 years of Kung fu people still intimidate me and I don't know whether my techniques would work unless it was life or death. Believe me the will to survive is very strong and adrenaline gives you more strength.

If you want to become stronger then by all means go for it but at the same time bare in mind you still have to stay agile and flexible so keep stretching. One thing my instructor says (by the way he is only 5'4 but very powerful and I can believe hardly anythign scares him!) that there is always someone better than you and you can train yourself to be very strong indeed but there will always be someone else stronger and more agressive.

I believe that those bouncers who look the biggest get challanged more because of their size and people are trying to get a reputation for themselves.
I think bigger guys get more challanges and sometimes that size doesn't mean much against someone smaller and skilled.

It amazes me how many large people study Martial Arts when they are all so strong. Someone strong and skilled in Martial Arts puts someone smaller and also skilled at a disadvantage if they were matched up and were both on the ground.


I notice you study JKD founded by Bruce Lee. He studied from Yip Man who was not the most largest built person but very skilled and through his technique could hold a very strong Horse stance taht no one could unbalance. This takes years of training in chi and learnign how to use it.
Another good example is the founder of Aikido, Morehei Ueshiba, very small old man but could throw much large opponents with ease.

 

[LawDog]

Weight training will always help your martial arts ability. In the street this strenght training will help you when attacked suddenly from the side or rear etc. Your strenght can be used to put an attacker at bay untill you are able to adjust and use your martial arts training.

 

[CuongNhuka]

if some one alredy posted this i applogise. firts of all, as a cop you may not have enough time to maintine muscle mass. alot of cops try that and find that they don't have quite enough time to maintian it. half the reason alot of cops are, well, wide around the egdes. since if you don't maintian mucles it becomes fat, wellnot literaly but you get the idea. second if you want to build muscle SIZE (this is importent) you need to take large amount of weight, say 50 - 100 pounds (100 if you want to be stupid) and do a small number of lifts, say 10 - 20. third if you want to build muscle STRENGHT (this is importent), you need a small amount of weight, say 5 - 10 pounds, and do a large number of lifts, say 50 - 100 times. i do 20 pounds at 20 lifts, to build both, but what ever.

next, size doesn't imply strength, and strength does not imply size. if you have big thick arms and weak, in comparison, legs you will be slow. but if are equally strong, or your legs are stronger, you will be fast.

sweet Brigiht bless your blade

john

ohh and if you haven't yet check out that thing about canada out lawing the martial arts

 

[CuongNhuka]

i forgot, building muscle with weigths will neither affect technique speed or strength. isometric training how ever will increase the speed and strength of a technique, which is why most tradtional arts teach isometirics for the first good long while to make shure that you are relitvly strong.

 

[Adept]

if you want to build muscle SIZE (this is importent) you need to take large amount of weight, say 50 - 100 pounds (100 if you want to be stupid) and do a small number of lifts, say 10 - 20. third if you want to build muscle STRENGHT (this is importent), you need a small amount of weight, say 5 - 10 pounds, and do a large number of lifts, say 50 - 100 times. i do 20 pounds at 20 lifts, to build both, but what ever.

Thats not quite correct. Smaller weights, but more repititions will increase your aerobic ability, but not your strength. Raw (not functional) Strength is a direct result of muscle size. The larger your muscles, the more you can lift. Lifting light weights doesn't put enough strain on your muscles to sufficiently increase their mass (therefore their strength) but it does mean you can lift for longer. It's the difference between benching 400 pounds once, or doing 100 push ups. If you do 100 push ups, you'll never be able to bench 400 pounds. But if you only bench very heavy weights, you'll never be able to do large amounts of push ups.

next, size doesn't imply strength, and strength does not imply size. if you have big thick arms and weak, in comparison, legs you will be slow. but if are equally strong, or your legs are stronger, you will be fast.

I'm having trouble understanding what you mean here. Can you rephrase this for me?

 

[Jonathan Randall]

if some one alredy posted this i applogise. firts of all, as a cop you may not have enough time to maintine muscle mass. alot of cops try that and find that they don't have quite enough time to maintian it. half the reason alot of cops are, well, wide around the egdes. since if you don't maintian mucles it becomes fat, wellnot literaly but you get the idea. second if you want to build muscle SIZE (this is importent) you need to take large amount of weight, say 50 - 100 pounds (100 if you want to be stupid) and do a small number of lifts, say 10 - 20. third if you want to build muscle STRENGHT (this is importent), you need a small amount of weight, say 5 - 10 pounds, and do a large number of lifts, say 50 - 100 times. i do 20 pounds at 20 lifts, to build both, but what ever.
john

You mean muscle ENDURANCE, not strength. Large numbers of lifts with smaller weights develops endurance, not strength. Smaller repetitions with HEAVIER weights develops size and strength.

Yes, it is hard to maintain Academy level physical fitness and strength when you have a full time job and a family to raise. However, I'd take the forty year old seasoned cop over the 24 year old buffed rookie any day of the week.

The earlier poster who said that it's the newer cops and not the smallest or largest who get tested the most was correct, IMHO (not a cop but I spent years in a bad part of town and saw just what Sgtmac pointed out).

 

[Corporal Hicks]

Hello! Dont take this the wrong way, but I felt a little uncomfortable reading your message. Why? Because a police officer is not just someone who beats the cr** out of "bad criminals." S/he is also a public servant, and as such much of your work will be related to helping people, regular folks like myself who actually feel very intimidated with the machoistic attitude of some officers out there. The key for me is you should be physically prepared to confront the challenges of your job while at the same time make sure that the public (i.e. the people who are paying your salary!) feels safe and comfortable around you and that they can respect you instead of fearing you. I think that a police officer must transmit confidence and respect first of all...

Good luck on your career plans!

Peace,
A.T.

Oh no, sorry I think you got the wrong side of what I was trying to say. Im a nice guy (or at least I think I am), I'm curtious towards people and try to make the best effort to appreciate and understand others point of view, most around me view me a diplomat (cannot spell it). I was stating that maybe I should *bulk out* to give me the edge when situations get (or are getting) violent and there is no resolve through talking. But from this thread I realise that it is not bulk (though it helps), it is command presence that controls situations!
Regards,

 

[CuongNhuka]

o.k. adept, what i mean is just because you have biceps the size of my head does mean you are really strong. and just because you are really strong doesn't mean thatyou have huge arms.or did you mean the size and speed thing? well what i mean is if you can lift, say, 360lb.s with your arms and, say, 180lb.s (how much i weigh) with your legs, you'll be rather slow, since you have all that muscle weighing you down. But if you can lift say, 360lb.s with your legs and, say, 180lb.s with your arms you be fast since most of your weight is in the place you are using to run. and for every one who noticed that i am apparently wrong about my first post here, that is what i was told, o.k. besides i donn't do a whole lot of weoght training so i don't really care that much anyways.

sweet Brighit bless your blade

John

 

[Adept]

o.k. adept, what i mean is just because you have biceps the size of my head does mean you are really strong. and just because you are really strong doesn't mean thatyou have huge arms.or did you mean the size and speed thing?

Think of a muscle fibre as piece of string. There is a limit to what the piece of string can lift before it breaks.

Now, if you have a rope made out of one thousand pieces of string, obviously you can lift much more with it.

well what i mean is if you can lift, say, 360lb.s with your arms and, say, 180lb.s (how much i weigh) with your legs, you'll be rather slow, since you have all that muscle weighing you down. But if you can lift say, 360lb.s with your legs and, say, 180lb.s with your arms you be fast since most of your weight is in the place you are using to run.

Indeed. But if you can lift 360 with both, you can have faster feet and fast hands.