No, I am not that good, just at my age and injured condition, I won't be going far. Too many limiting factor. Strength training benefit me more at this point.
Anyone do weight training on top of MA?
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I am all for weight training, but I won't go this far!!! Strength goes a long way......but not that long!!!
isshinryuronin
Senior Master
yeah, we have to deal with certain physical realities. this is more true in grappling and contact striking arts. it's less true in kung fu and karate that can be beneficial for most everyone, regardless of their condition as it can be done solo and with minimum stress on the body. just don't be too eager to abandon MA. explore ways to adapt it to your condition. whatever you do, keep challenging yourself and don't "go quietly into the night."
I am still practicing on my own. Still working on heavy bags and practicing kicks and punches in air. Luckily I don't have to choose between weights and this, I am splitting my workout into half and half. I count this as aerobics!!!
I have no plan to go to any class, I am doing it in my own paste. I am just coming out of back injury from 4 weeks ago, today is the first time I actually almost going back to my original intensity and I feel good.
I finally watched both video. My original comment was just by looking at the image of all the muscles, those are big muscles.
The first one is weak, I bet he never even think about punching, it's like starting from ground scratch.
The second one is NOT SO BAD. Yes, it's not that good, BUT so are a lot of people.
I think a lot of people think they are better than they really are. When one practice, they feel they are doing it right, they feel good. They might be into a brutal awakening if they record it and watch it. I have not been posting in the weapon section here, I did not make a video for over 1/2 year. I feel I improve a lot since the beginning of the year, I feel good......AND I don't dare to make a video and watch it because I might be disappointed.
Also, there are a lot of armchair quarterbacks. It's easy to criticizing others, doing it is a different story. I would definitely not going to challenge the second one for sure. Just because he doesn't look fast doesn't mean there is no stopping power. If you watch UFC heavy weight fights, they are slow, sloppy, but one punch that doesn't look like anything can knock the opponent out cold. This is a short video, you can see some knockouts that look like nothing and the guy dropped:
Don't underestimate the power of raw muscle. I am sure people watching this will have a lot of criticism how they punch, no body rotation, slow and all that. You seriously think any light weight UFC top fighter can survive in the octagon with a so-so heavy weight? I bet the light weight one can dance around and land a few nice looking hits, but then one big punch from the big guy, and the light weight goes flying.
J. Pickard
Brown Belt
Hafþór Björnsson is also a trained boxer. I wouldnt fight this guy without a weapon. He's 6ft 9in of solid muscle and knows how to fight. Maybe someone like Holyfield or Tyson in their prime would stand a chance, but anyone significantly smaller than this guy is just asking to get crushed. He put out a vid of him and Conor McGregor doing some playful sparring and McGreggor's legs were about as long as Björnsson's arms.
J. Pickard
Brown Belt
I agree to a point, but in my very extreme and rare example, this would not work. against a bungling oaf, sure. Against a trained athlete/fighter who is also nearly 7ft tall and the strongest man in the world your best bet is to hire the next strongest fighter or get a weapon. IF the strength was due to a wish, which is what I was replying to, then sky is the limit and you actually could be as strong as superman. No matter how hypothetically good your technique is, you aren't beating a hypothetical man that can take a fully loaded freight train to the face and not even flinch.
Ever see a small dog go against a bear. You gotta out maneuver the guy lol. Chop at those legs lol.
If his legs are harder than yours then your legs won't be able to do much chopping.
J. Pickard
Brown Belt
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If I was gonna fight Bjornsson and that was my strategy, I would use a literal axe to do the chopping. Not taking any chances.
That makes the world of difference. He doesn't even have to be that good at it, at least he's trained. Height makes a day and night difference also. Anyone takes him lightly is going to be in a BRUTAL awakening facing him.
Like the video I posted in post #45, people can sit back and laugh at all the things they did wrong, go into the octagon and they'll see. Just one lazy punch can drop a 200+lbs trained guy. People REALLY NEED TO WATCH THE VIDEO.
When I was in the gym, I knew two guys, one is a famous instructor in TKD, has a few schools around the bay area. Obviously he's good. But he was thin, He could hardly push 135lbs bench(two 45, one on each side). I know another guy, he's about 220lbs, he did 365lbs incline press(3X45lbs + 25lbs on each side), also he practice some MA. If the two guy get into real fight, I put my bet on the big guy. Even 5:1 odds.
Key is the strong guy has to have some training, one cannot rely only on strength. But with some training(like a year), strength is very important. With height, that is going to be a big advantage.
Key is the strong guy has to have some training, one cannot rely only on strength. But with some training(like a year), strength is very important. With height, that is going to be a big advantage.
Ha ha, I won't even want to try with my cane!!! Even I've been practicing stick fight for over a year!!! You need a gun!!!
I don't know why a lot of people keep talking as if the muscle guys never spend a day practicing fighting. I know plenty of strong guys in the gym( at least over 225lbs bench). QUITE A FEW doing both weight and MA. We talked a lot about both MA and weights. Those are strong people. DO NOT assume muscle guy don't do MA.
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Guy is big for sure. The first time I met someone that tall was professional NBA players. TV just doesn't capture his big those guys are. But this guy would be a giant among giants. You would be fine so long as you don't eat a punch full on. Just the weight of it would be miserable and it would have to be his hardest punch.
Damien
Blue Belt
We've definitely had this argument before... lets steer it somewhere new.
Yes, I do weight training as well as my MA training. I don't specifically do it for my MA though. One of my big things is increasing longevity- living a healthy life for as long as you can, and the number one way to do that is to lift weights. It increases bone density when you are young, and decreases the rate of decline past a certain age, it improves strength, it can improve mobility, stability, coordination and control. All things which are required if you're going to stay healthy and fit into your old age.
On top of all that being strong is just plain useful. You can carry the shopping home, you can move furniture etc.
Yes, I do weight training as well as my MA training. I don't specifically do it for my MA though. One of my big things is increasing longevity- living a healthy life for as long as you can, and the number one way to do that is to lift weights. It increases bone density when you are young, and decreases the rate of decline past a certain age, it improves strength, it can improve mobility, stability, coordination and control. All things which are required if you're going to stay healthy and fit into your old age.
On top of all that being strong is just plain useful. You can carry the shopping home, you can move furniture etc.
Yep, when one gets old, it's the quality of life that matters. Everything is better doing weights, not just for MA.
