Video promotion

[enthusiast]

My friend told me that they will be having a video promotion because their dojo is so far from the only place where their organization gives promotion.is that possible or do you think its a mcdojo?

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[Xue Sheng]

Don't know if it is a mcdojo per say but a video promotion, in my opinion, is just not right and also, IMO, just a money making scheme that has little to do with the art itself

 

[Dirty Dog]

Too many variables.

All of our Dan rank tests are videoed for our KJN. Doesn't really affect the tests.

Theoretically, our KJN needs to approve these promotions, but it's just a pro forma thing.

I'd be more concerned if they expected me to go to Korea for every exam.

 

[Frank]

I think taping yourself and sending it to a senior person for evaluation is good for comments on the form, speed, techniques etc... But a video is very limited in what it can really show. "Feeling" in person is still an issue very fundamental to any martial art. So, for testing and certification, I don't think it's a very good idea.

 

[arnisador]

All of our Dan rank tests are videoed for our KJN. Doesn't really affect the tests.

Theoretically, our KJN needs to approve these promotions, but it's just a pro forma thing.

This is a reasonable quality control on the new black belts and perhaps more importantly on those promoting them at their schools. But if it's only by video--no sale.

 

[Flying Crane]

So how is this promotion done? Is a video made by the student of the material, sent in for review, and a belt and certificate shows up in the mail 6 weeks later? Or is it a live-streaming video type thing, where there can be actual discussion and repeats and moving the camera on request, etc.?

The second one would be better than the first, but either way I do not support the idea. There's just too much separation. You need to be up close and personal to see if the stuff is really being done right. People get hung up on the technology and think they need to start using it. Sometimes just because the technology exists, doesn't mean you ought to be using it. Instruction and testing thru video is just a bad idea, in my opinion.

 

[Brian R. VanCise]

Don't know if it is a mcdojo per say but a video promotion, in my opinion, is just not right and also, IMO, just a money making scheme that has little to do with the art itself

I absolutely agree on this! Just a way to make cash and not do the work!

 

[Dirty Dog]

This is a reasonable quality control on the new black belts and perhaps more importantly on those promoting them at their schools. But if it's only by video--no sale.

It's a test at our dojang, run by the Master and the senior students, with a video sent to KJN for pro forma approval.

If you set up a video camera in your garage, film yourself and send it in, I'd likely suggest running the other way.

 

[Makalakumu]

I have a few long distance students and we collaborate via video, but I wouldn't consider video promotions. I like to get a hands on experience of my students skill. That's the only way I feel comfortable.

 

[RTKDCMB]

I think taping yourself and sending it to a senior person for evaluation is good for comments on the form, speed, techniques etc... But a video is very limited in what it can really show. "Feeling" in person is still an issue very fundamental to any martial art. So, for testing and certification, I don't think it's a very good idea.

Videos are by their nature 2 dimensional, being able to correct students properly requires 3 dimensions. Videos are not very interactive as there is a serious time delay between seeing the techniques being performed and getting feedback on them. A live camera feed would only partially improve things but would still not allow the examiner to move around the subject to gain different points of view. There is no substitute to being there.

 

[enthusiast]

What will happen is:the instructor(or someone) will video the exam and send it on the main branch.personally,i dont think this is a good idea because if they video it,it means they can retape it with the sensei telling all the mistakes that you commit until you perfrct it(or at least good enough for promotion).that is not mastery.

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[punisher73]

Too many factors to say one way or another. What rank is the person testing for? What rank is the instructor giving the test?

For example, Chuck Norris supposedly tested for one of his degrees of blackbelt by sending in a video (long ago) to Korea. If you have demonstrated your ability live (as Mr. Norris did through his tournaments) and the requirement for advancement is demonstrating kata and application. Why could you not video yourself from different angles performing the kata and it's applications? As an instructor, think about it. How often do we watch youtube videos on here and critique what is wrong with them or what is right? How is that any different if you were evaluating a student and know what you need to look at for their rank?

Especially with things like "Coach's Eye" that allow you to slow it down frame by frame, you can actually catch more on video than watching it live.

But, I agree as a whole that live instruction and testing is preferable.

 

[Daniel Sullivan]

My friend told me that they will be having a video promotion because their dojo is so far from the only place where their organization gives promotion.is that possible or do you think its a mcdojo?

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So the dojo is having a grading, recording it and sending it off to a higher ranking person within the organization for final approval. I wouldn't call it a video promotion. You're testing in front of the master(s) who run the school. This is no different than a KKW instructor of fourth dan or higher grading students and sending paperwork back to the Kukkiwon, only your masters are sending a video back so that the GMs can actually see what you're signing off on.

A video promotion would be you and a partner setting up a camera and performing the requested forms and techniques from the requested angles and sending it in. This is how students who train via correspondence test (such as CHKD).

A McDojo is a commercial studio that utilizes a variety of business methods that are designed soley to increase the profitability of the school. These methods have been developed over a long enough period of time that they have essentially become standardized. Thus the McDojo label.

I don't see how what you describe connects with the McDojo question.

 

[Tony Dismukes]

On the one hand, I agree that video testing is limited compared to in-person testing in that the instructor can't change angles, get close, or go hands on with a student to feel his/her energy.

On the other hand, video does allow the instructor to pause, zoom and rewind the action to watch for fine details. Furthermore, I've seen plenty of tests at various schools where the instructor just sat in a chair on the side of the room to watch the student testing, with no better view than would be provided by a video camera.

Personally, I prefer the system I've experienced in BJJ*. Promotions are based on the instructor's day-to-day observations and interactions with the student over the course of months and years rather than performance on a single test.

*(This is my own experience in the schools where I've trained. I know that some BJJ schools do have formal tests for promotion.)

 

[Brian R. VanCise]

On the one hand, I agree that video testing is limited compared to in-person testing in that the instructor can't change angles, get close, or go hands on with a student to feel his/her energy.

On the other hand, video does allow the instructor to pause, zoom and rewind the action to watch for fine details. Furthermore, I've seen plenty of tests at various schools where the instructor just sat in a chair on the side of the room to watch the student testing, with no better view than would be provided by a video camera.

Personally, I prefer the system I've experienced in BJJ*. Promotions are based on the instructor's day-to-day observations and interactions with the student over the course of months and years rather than performance on a single test.

*(This is my own experience in the schools where I've trained. I know that some BJJ schools do have formal tests for promotion.)

I have experienced the same and that is the norm or was because we all know BJJ the business has changed a bit.

 

[WaterGal]

Well, how far is "so far away"? If it's a few hours drive, they should suck it up and go there (or have the master/grandmaster come to the school). But if it's another country, then I can understand why they would want to do it this way.

Also, why can't the instructor promote people?

 

[James Kovacich]

Personally, I prefer the system I've experienced in BJJ*. Promotions are based on the instructor's day-to-day observations and interactions with the student over the course of months and years rather than performance on a single test.

Agreed



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