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I have a first black in Hapkido and I have extensively cross-trained with friends in bjj. It is next to impossible to use a hapkido joint locks on the ground because bjj fighters and skilled grapplers don't give you much of an opportunity to lock their joints.
In grappling, most of the submission holds are the byproduct of gaining proper position on the opponent and using the whole body as a fulcrum to lock the joint.
Most grapplers don't give you their arms, elbows, or wrists. Furthermore, joint locks are difficult to pull off without a stable base, which is nonexistent if you find yourself on you back.
I have seen joint locks used as takedown defenses, but it takes perfect timing to pull it off.
Mike-IHF said:Kenpohack,
In my opinion thats not true. The one position alot of ground grapplers do is try to get you in the mounted position, to either punch or choke. Which means their arms and hands are available. And actually, there is very little difference between laying on your back, and standing up. I was just going over these type of techniques with my students the other day. First I let them put me in standing basic grabs, and chokes. Then I showed them the exact same defenses from the same grabs, but while they had me in the mounted position. And they worked the same. Now, I used the mounted position as an example. I'm not saying that's the only position ground grapplers use, but it is one of the most common. So that's why I covered that area with my students.