US Police wage war against rogue lemonade stands

[Makalakumu]

Or yeah you can sell it, provided that you have all the paper work and permits, environmental study (at a price), give the government at least 50% in taxes, join the govenment union and pay dues, reduce prices for other government union members, ILLEGAL Aliens (undocumented, transient, or whatever the newest term is), oh and change the name from Suzy's Lemonade to Government refreshment project. Yup Far left progressivism doesn't equal freedom either.

I didn't say that it did. This isn't an either/or debate. Both the Left and the Right are wings on the government's vulture. It's gotta feed on someone...

...until people realize that it doesn't. If you have your foot in either camp, you ain't for freedom.

 

[Archangel M]

While I have no proof that THIS is the case... things like this are rarely the result of some lone officer deciding that a corner lemonade stand is in violation of the City ordinance.

9 times out of 10 these things are started by some politician/mayor/councilmember or bureaucrat with an agency like the city/county/state health dept. complaining to the Chief about all those damn kids with their health code violations. Instead of the Chief telling the mayor or whoever that he's not going to lean on some kid (and risk political blowback) he has his officers go out and do stuff like this.

The other 1 time out of 10... it seems like its some busybody on the street who demands that the cops come and kick the kids off the sidewalk and if they don't they are "not doing their job".."not enforcing the law"..."they are going to call the media"..."going to complain to the mayor"...etc.

We just get the joy of taking ALL the blame.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

While I have no proof that THIS is the case... things like this are rarely the result of some lone officer deciding that a corner lemonade stand is in violation of the City ordinance.

9 times out of 10 these things are started by some politician/mayor/councilmember or bureaucrat with an agency like the city/county/state health dept. complaining to the Chief about all those damn kids with their health code violations. Instead of the Chief telling the mayor or whoever that he's not going to lean on some kid (and risk political blowback) he has his officers go out and do stuff like this.

The other 1 time out of 10... it seems like its some busybody on the street who demands that the cops come and kick the kids off the sidewalk and if they don't they are "not doing their job".."not enforcing the law"..."they are going to call the media"..."going to complain to the mayor"...etc.

We just get the joy of taking ALL the blame.

The joys of politics and spineless politicians.

Remember, you can't have government with out ticks.

 

[Stealthy]

it seems like its some busybody on the street who demands that the cops come and kick the kids off the sidewalk and if they don't they are "not doing their job".."not enforcing the law"..."they are going to call the media"..."going to complain to the mayor"...etc.

Man's law is the problem...Rather than having a law that says nobody hurts anybody else. We have a law that creates a situation whereby children technically helping people(by providing them with refreshing lemonade) become the victims because an entity(either a living breathing person or a non-human essentially immortal business losing customers to the children) not only decides it wants to hurt the children but is then facilitated in this endeavour by the police who are now sanctioned to hurt the kids, granted the kids probably did not face fines but they certainly could have and it would definitely have hurt.

The problem is the law but without individual police officers enforcing it the law has no power.

 

[Archangel M]

Officer discretion is a whole other can of worms.

It's like the complaints about traffic tickets..theres never a cop when you need one when you see some guy blow a red light but the cop is nothing but a revenue maker when YOU get a ticket.

It's much the same with many laws. The cop isn't doing his job when he's not enforcing the laws YOU agree with and hes a jackboot when he enforces the laws you dont like.

 

[Makalakumu]

While I have no proof that THIS is the case... things like this are rarely the result of some lone officer deciding that a corner lemonade stand is in violation of the City ordinance.

9 times out of 10 these things are started by some politician/mayor/councilmember or bureaucrat with an agency like the city/county/state health dept. complaining to the Chief about all those damn kids with their health code violations. Instead of the Chief telling the mayor or whoever that he's not going to lean on some kid (and risk political blowback) he has his officers go out and do stuff like this.

The other 1 time out of 10... it seems like its some busybody on the street who demands that the cops come and kick the kids off the sidewalk and if they don't they are "not doing their job".."not enforcing the law"..."they are going to call the media"..."going to complain to the mayor"...etc.

We just get the joy of taking ALL the blame.

Hey, that's a familiar story with government work. Replace cop with teacher and I know exactly how you feel. Making a Living vs. Principles.

 

[Stealthy]

Officer discretion is a whole other can of worms.

Officer discretion is the last bastion of defense "living, breathing humans" have against injustice and to that end, any officer discretion is better than none but bear in mind it is only needed because the laws are so flawed.

I keep making the distinction of living, breathing humans versus non-living entities because it is the true "us versus them". "Us" being living breathing entities bound by mortality and "Them" being immortal non-sentient entities that exercise the same rights as those of us that are bound by blood.

A Police Officer is not the Police Force, the Police Force is immortal and through the actions of mortals acting on its behalf is protected and free to grow in strength beyond the limitations of those bound by blood. The same applies for Laws, Companies, Government parties, basically any organization which is able to live on by recycling it's support network(people).

It has got soooo bad that children can't set up a lemonade stand without being persecuted.

But it will get a lot worse if people don't fight back against the non-sentient immortals.

These laws get passed because we rely on the integrety off the officers upholding them but laws are dangerous things that can live on long past those that breathed life into them and who's to say what influences will be on officers a hundred years from now.

 

[MaxiMe]

I didn't say that it did. This isn't an either/or debate. Both the Left and the Right are wings on the government's vulture. It's gotta feed on someone...

...until people realize that it doesn't. If you have your foot in either camp, you ain't for freedom.

My point exactly. Kick them all out and lets reset the whole thing not just the economy.
Power corrups. Absolute power corrupts absolutely or something like that. (not the cop per say) but if it was the political hack directing the cheif to direct the cop. then both the politicial and the PC/political hack cheif are at fault. Bounce them both out on their most thoughtful parts

 

[Makalakumu]

These laws get passed because we rely on the integrety off the officers upholding them...

They get passed because the government relies on people to obey, cops included. The only reason people are being shaken down for 400 dollars is to prevent competition. The people on the inside are charging for permission slips and the cops are in the unfortunate position to have to enforce that. THAT isn't integrity.

 

[Tez3]

Yeah, you can sell lemonaide, but not to homosexuals and you must to give it to our soldiers for free. Tea Party does not equal freedom.

Spend half my life escorting young ladies off military establishments who think that too. Very patriotic our local girls.

 

[Archangel M]

Spend half my life escorting young ladies off military establishments who think that too. Very patriotic our local girls.

Kill joy.

 

[Makalakumu]

New Entitlement Program here we come! Recruitment goes through the roof!

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[MJS]

Gee...here's a thought....perhaps people should inquire about these things before they do them. No, I'm not sticking up for the cops. Personally, I think that there're more important things to be worrying about than shutting down a lemonade stand. One would assume that if something is being done on private property, a permit wouldn't be needed. Ive held garage sales w/o a permit. Now, if I go down to the supermarket and start collecting for a charity, well yeah, I will probably need one.

 

[Makalakumu]

Gee...here's a thought....perhaps people should inquire about these things before they do them. No, I'm not sticking up for the cops. Personally, I think that there're more important things to be worrying about than shutting down a lemonade stand. One would assume that if something is being done on private property, a permit wouldn't be needed. Ive held garage sales w/o a permit. Now, if I go down to the supermarket and start collecting for a charity, well yeah, I will probably need one.

What purpose do the permission slips serve?

 

[Bob Hubbard]

What purpose do the permission slips serve?

Revenue. About it.

 

[Makalakumu]

Revenue. About it.

How about as a barrier for competition?

 

[Archangel M]

One would assume that if something is being done on private property, a permit wouldn't be needed. Ive held garage sales w/o a permit. Now, if I go down to the supermarket and start collecting for a charity, well yeah, I will probably need one.

Good point. Although "Lemonade Stand" implies kids on their front lawn, how many of these are about parents bringing jr to the event at the park to set up next to the cotton candy guy who had to pay to attend?

 

[MJS]

What purpose do the permission slips serve?

Revenue. About it.

While I"m sure there is a fee, I doubt its going to break someones bank. My point was simply this...if it means avoiding a potential headache, why not go the safe route and get the permit? I mean, lets look at the 2 options:

1) Get the permit and save yourself potential issues.

2) Dont get it, get shut down by the cops, and then ***** and cry like a friggin 2yo when it happens, so it'll give a reason to bash the cops.

Common sense should dictate option 1, but we know common sense amongst some people is lacking.

Yes, it does seem petty, and childish and mean of them to shut down the stand, but perhaps they're doing their job. Yes, I know, I said it myself, there's more 'productive' things, so to speak, for them to do, but this is yet again, one of those damned if ya do, damned if ya dont situation. Dont do anything, the cops get **** on. Do something, they get **** on. People complain about speeders thru their neighborhood. Cops set up radar. I wonder how many complainers are part of the problem. So when they get stopped, they'll ***** too. LOL.

 

[MJS]

Good point. Although "Lemonade Stand" implies kids on their front lawn, how many of these are about parents bringing jr to the event at the park to set up next to the cotton candy guy who had to pay to attend?

Likewise, good point. Like I said, if these kids are setting up on public property, ie: the girl scouts trying to sell cookies outside the grocery store, yes, in that situation, a permit is needed. Of course, this is why I also said the laws of ones town should be known. If someone has to stop and think, "Gee, I'm planning on doing X, I wonder if I need a permit?" A quick call to the local PD should solve that issue. Interestingly enough, I took one of those calls yesterday at work. I directed the caller to the Sgt on the front desk.

 

[Archangel M]

And after reading each of those news articles, almost all of them were due to some sort of special circumstance; setting up at a fair, some sort of 2 day sweep during some special local event, setting up at a local water park, a local politician filing a complaint, etc. Although the media likes to make it sound like the cops are wandering the suburban neighborhoods kicking kids of their front lawns, that doesn't look like it's the case.