U.K Police Shoot to Kill......
- Thread starter Bammx2
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I agree . I think the fact that the incident involved officers ,is one reason why it is being scrutinized so closlely . If it had been soldiers who were guarding the tube & made the same mistake , I think more people would have excepted the mistake . Maybe it's because people think soldiers are better prepared/trained ? In general I think it's a respect issue or lack of , to a certain degree . Just my opinion . On the other side I think that there are alot of people who really want to make sure procedures were followed & the fact that they were officers makes no differance .Tgace said:
Bester
<font color=blue><B>Grand UberSoke, Sith-jutsu Ryu
The police in question were in a "damed if you do, damned if you don't" situation.
Person is acting suspicious, ignoring or refusing to comply with police directions in a potentially dangerous situation. Past experience has indicated this individual to be a risk. Decision is allow them to continue and risk death and distruction for many, or take him out and risk shooting an innocent. Very hard choice.
If he'd been found to be packing a bomb belt, they'd be heros.
He wasn't. Now, they are bastards.
You know what? I would have shot the guy in the same situation. Better 1 innocent dead, than 20 innocents and 1 guilty dead.
I highly doubt these officers just picked him out at random, gave him a hard time, and then shot him all Dirty Harry style. I'm certain the choice to open fire was a hard one, weighed out against the recent attacks, and that these people aren't feeling good about taking a life, regardless of why.
Person is acting suspicious, ignoring or refusing to comply with police directions in a potentially dangerous situation. Past experience has indicated this individual to be a risk. Decision is allow them to continue and risk death and distruction for many, or take him out and risk shooting an innocent. Very hard choice.
If he'd been found to be packing a bomb belt, they'd be heros.
He wasn't. Now, they are bastards.
You know what? I would have shot the guy in the same situation. Better 1 innocent dead, than 20 innocents and 1 guilty dead.
I highly doubt these officers just picked him out at random, gave him a hard time, and then shot him all Dirty Harry style. I'm certain the choice to open fire was a hard one, weighed out against the recent attacks, and that these people aren't feeling good about taking a life, regardless of why.
Try the herbals, or other mixes. Try Wegmans health area. Lots of good ones there...though probably not "proper British" standards.Tgace said:
The best cops I ever knew had a respect for life that simply amazed me. Might have come from never knowing if today was the day you put yours on the line and lose it. Dunno. But I agree with AB. I think these guys were/are in no-win situations and did the best they could do, given the situation.
Dan G
Green Belt
For a "proper British" cuppa you'll need some bog standard breakfast tea bags, nothing fancy. Add one teabag, briefly to a large mug of boiling water, then remove (put teabag on sink and save for later) load up with milk until it is a pale washed out khaki colour.Bob Hubbard said:
Chuck in couple of spoons of white sugar (for a truly British smile).:uhyeah:
Revolting but authentic.
What's the tax on tea bags like these days?
Personally I only ever drink coffee.
Dan
Corporal Hicks
Black Belt
Due to recent events regarding this particular thread it seems as those some new factors have come into play!
According to media (Stressing the fact its the media) now, the Brazilian was not wearing a bulky jacket and he did not jump the turnstyle at the underground.
Instead new evidence has come up that the Brazilian was living in the same residence as a known suicide bomber and was mistaken to be 'the one' when he left the building, they do bear a similar resembelence!
Not only that now the Brazilian authorities have got envolved, strange that maybe people are killed in other countries due to gang killings, murder (unintentional or intentional) by the countries police and governments dont seem to get involved but when it comes to be mediarised its suddenly so much more interesting. Police officers are killed every year in their line of duty but I dont remember seeing their faces on national television, they are innocent to, serving and protecting the public, but it seems as though they are not worth the time.
It might be my warped view of things, but I think the media, especially in this country have got it wrong!
Regards
According to media (Stressing the fact its the media) now, the Brazilian was not wearing a bulky jacket and he did not jump the turnstyle at the underground.
Instead new evidence has come up that the Brazilian was living in the same residence as a known suicide bomber and was mistaken to be 'the one' when he left the building, they do bear a similar resembelence!
Not only that now the Brazilian authorities have got envolved, strange that maybe people are killed in other countries due to gang killings, murder (unintentional or intentional) by the countries police and governments dont seem to get involved but when it comes to be mediarised its suddenly so much more interesting. Police officers are killed every year in their line of duty but I dont remember seeing their faces on national television, they are innocent to, serving and protecting the public, but it seems as though they are not worth the time.
It might be my warped view of things, but I think the media, especially in this country have got it wrong!
Regards
michaeledward
Grandmaster
Thank you for the update.
As I recall, the clothing and chase details were stated by the family several days after the death of Mr. de Menezes.
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=418191&postcount=93
The Guardian had these details a month ago.
As I recall, the clothing and chase details were stated by the family several days after the death of Mr. de Menezes.
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=418191&postcount=93
The Guardian had these details a month ago.
sgtmac_46
Senior Master
That old reliable source of information, "Word on the street" coupled with a healthy amount of supposition and embellishment.Tgace said:
All cops know how every suicide gets turned in to a murder conspiracy by the family before it's over, no matter how cut and dry, and there's always someone lurking around to provide the family with "inside information" to support their theories.
