"Swat"ing, when the left disagrees with you...

[Steve]

Dude, it's just that you're out there-I agree with you on a bunch of issues, at their most basic, but you make real conservatives sound like barking nutbags-"Nazis were on the left," it's just errant nonsense, like a lot of the stuff you post. Kind of obscures the real issues....and lumping me in with such good company is great, but I've notably disagreed on political issues with each and every one of those people-especially Tez, Canuck, Bob, Ken, Steve-that Legionaire fella? WHOO BOY!

And I think John is largely out to lunch on a bunch of things-9/11, climate change, and probably the moon landings as well....:lfao:......seriously?

^^^^^ this.


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[granfire]

Huh? What?

I didn't even say nothing in this thread!

(but I like the company billi put me in. Most of the time)

 

[billc]

I didn't say you guys were the borg collective. When Big Don posts something, one or more of the above mentioned rogues gallery will be on the opposite side of the issue. The same for me. I forgot to list Bill Mattocks, he hasn't posted much recently, that I have seen, so he slipped my mind.

Not all of the above disagrees with everthing I post either, so once again, not the borg collective, just opposite posters.

 

[Sukerkin]

I think perhaps the angle you might not be seeing on this, Bill, is that those of us who chime up to (most usually) counter something that you post tend only to comment on political matters when the need for that occurs. Even then, for me at least, it is normlly only when something is so far away from reason and truth that it would be a dereliction of duty not to speak up or when I can offer meaningful expertise to try and elaborate or explain more accurately. Otherwise I either use self-discipline to keep my fingers off the keyboard or cave in and actually put you on Ignore {something I hate to do by the way, it seems so rude to do so (crazy English manners and morality, what can I say :shrugs: )}.

You don't see me banging in threads day after day making up something nasty to say about the Tories do you? Believe me I could if I wanted - but what purpose would it serve? If nothing else it would give the impression that I am some ideologically blinkered person who can only see things one way and always thinks the worst of those who see things otherwise. That's not how I would choose to be perceived.

 

[elder999]

You don't see me banging in threads day after day making up something nasty to say about the Tories do you? Believe me I could if I wanted - but what purpose would it serve? If nothing else it would give the impression that I am some ideologically blinkered person who can only see things one way and always thinks the worst of those who see things otherwise. That's not how I would choose to be perceived.

Again, ^^^^^^^THIS.

Seriously, billi, I like to post on political issues-lord knows, but it's just constant with you, none of it's original-it's mostly fringy stuff that's hardly credible, and, well, honestly-if people want to read the stuff over at bigpajamasbreitbartfoxnewslunaticsareus.com then they will. It's gotten to be so that I've pretty much avoided replying to all but the most ridiculous of your threads.

 

[Master Dan]

...and again you dodge my question. Yes, yes, poor you because you are being called out on doing something that is quite honestly underhanded. Please play the victim some more.

Not every person on the left would do something as stupid and illegal as Kimberlin. No more than every conservative is a pill popping hypocrit like Rush Limbaugh. Why do you insist on trying to paint the left like that? Are there really so few real political issues to talk about? Or are those political issue arguements lacking merit enough that you must resort to attacking the entire left with these character assasination threads as your best arguement for conservatism? I REALLY hope that is not the case, but when you post threads like this, it makes it seem so.

If not for the left we would not have Anti Trust Laws , Child Labor Laws, OSHA, EPA, MEDICARE, MUCH OF THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. It is the right that wants total freedom to pursue excessive profits at the expense of the poor and middle class but I think it is a total waste of time to use any facts to convince Mr. Bill other wise he is looking for like minded people to chime in. He may as well start a thread on Obama's birth certificate not being valid it holds about as much truth as the rest of the left bashing. Thanks for your imput I wish Keith Oberman was back but too much money corupted even him?

 

[elder999]

If not for the left we would not have Anti Trust Laws , Child Labor Laws, OSHA, EPA, MEDICARE, MUCH OF THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. It is the right that wants total freedom to pursue excessive profits at the expense of the poor and middle class but I think it is a total waste of time to use any facts to convince Mr. Bill other wise he is looking for like minded people to chime in. He may as well start a thread on Obama's birth certificate not being valid it holds about as much truth as the rest of the left bashing. Thanks for your imput I wish Keith Oberman was back but too much money corupted even him?

You had me until "Olbermann..." :lol:

 

[cdunn]

Again, ^^^^^^^THIS.

Seriously, billi, I like to post on political issues-lord knows, but it's just constant with you, none of it's original-it's mostly fringy stuff that's hardly credible, and, well, honestly-if people want to read the stuff over at bigpajamasbreitbartfoxnewslunaticsareus.com then they will. It's gotten to be so that I've pretty much avoided replying to all but the most ridiculous of your threads.

The only reason to engage is to correct the record for interested third parties.

 

[Master Dan]

You had me until "Olbermann..." :lol:

I liked him from the getting the facts and in your face Bush but he got to big for his pants started sitting in a chair reading an esoteric satire book to the little people condesending slophe self destructed which is a good example of people who amass wealth with out humility.

To be factual and fair most of the public programs taxes and protections like all I listed before were in the majority started by Republican Presidents who according to most experts would be called liberal or left now according to the new extreme right that controls the GOP the RNC and most of the anti poor, ageing , middle class and last but not least minority voter intimidation or restriction. I am not supprised at any of Bills threads we know where he stands and those who chime in to support him probably instead of trying to speak up for ourselves it would be better to start oppossing threads with constant links to extreme liberal or left dogma? That seems a waste of time? All that concerns me is that it would seem a majority of MA members seem to sympathize with his positions because maybe the silent majority have better things to do like earning a living?

 

[WC_lun]

instead of trying to speak up for ourselves it would be better to start oppossing threads with constant links to extreme liberal or left dogma? That seems a waste of time?

I don't like what Billi does with the constant links. I don't think it would be right to do the same thing. It wouldn't be any better because I was doing it and I really dislike hypocrits

There are things about this country that are great due to both Democrats and Republicans. The repectful opposition to each other actually helps keep a good balance between the two parties' various interest. However, when the opposition becomes disrespectful and politics becomes more about treating the other side as them, always attacking, regardless of truth or consequence, it becomes like a cancer for our country. Even though this is a political section of Martial Talk, and political discussions can get heated, there should be respect among us. In my opinion, the constant links attacking anything and everything "left," many times equating anyone who is left with criminals and stupid behaviour, is just plain disrespectful and rude. Rather than forward any discussion, it makes people defensive and irritated, when it is not neccesary.

 

[elder999]

To be factual and fair most of the public programs taxes and protections like all I listed before were in the majority started by Republican Presidents who according to most experts would be called liberal or left now according to the new extreme right that controls the GOP the RNC and most of the anti poor, ageing , middle class and last but not least minority voter intimidation or restriction

And there you have it, the party of Teddy Roosevelt and Eisenhower is no more, and has been replaced by the very people Eisenhower tried warning us about.......of course, they also run the Democrats, but hey......

 

[Big Don]

I don't like what Billi does with the constant links. I don't think it would be right to do the same thing. It wouldn't be any better because I was doing it and I really dislike hypocrits

[/personal attack]

There are things about this country that are great due to both Democrats and Republicans. The repectful opposition to each other actually helps keep a good balance between the two parties' various interest. However, when the opposition becomes disrespectful and politics becomes more about treating the other side as them, always attacking, regardless of truth or consequence,

Like 8 years of "Shrub" and "Bushitler" etc? Yeah, cuz, that's respectful...

it becomes like a cancer for our country. Even though this is a political section of Martial Talk, and political discussions can get heated, there should be respect among us.

Yes! I've seen the respect some of you show Billi...

In my opinion, the constant links attacking anything and everything "left," many times equating anyone who is left with criminals and stupid behaviour, is just plain disrespectful and rude.

Because when a republican does something heinous, his party is the first to demand he step down, how many times was Ted Kennedy elected and reelected after Chappaquiddick? Or maybe Marion Barry after the "*****" set him up?

Rather than forward any discussion, it makes people defensive and irritated, when it is not neccesary.

So, you're admitting you're wrong for instantly attacking Billi and anything (everything) he posts?
where is that damn amazed smiley?

 

[Sukerkin]

{/emote :heavy sigh:}

You chaps really are doomed, you know that? If you individually refuse to see that this way of proceeding with regard to political matters is destructive then you're collectively never going to get anywhere useful.

Politics is the art of the possible not the science of the absolute. Forget that at your nations peril.

 

[Big Don]

All compromise is based on give and take, but there can be no give and take on fundamentals. Any compromise on mere fundamentals is a surrender. For it is all give and no take.

Mahatma Gandhi

Compromise is but the sacrifice of one right or good in the hope of retaining another - too often ending in the loss of both.

Tryon Edwards

Compromise: An agreement between two men to do what both agree is wrong.

Lord Edward Cecil

Courage, not compromise, brings the smile of God's approval.

Thomas S. Monson

Don't compromise yourself. You are all you've got.

Janis Joplin

From the beginning of our history the country has been afflicted with compromise. It is by compromise that human rights have been abandoned.

Charles Sumner

If my house was on fire, I can't compromise about which part of the house I'm going to save. You save the whole house or it will all burn down. We either save this country or we do not.

Marco Rubio

 

[WC_lun]

I do not think you know the meaning of personal attack. I said I do not like what he is doing. I said nothing about him personally. Get the difference?

Politics is the art of compromise. Politics without compromise is fascism or totalorism. For those that get confused, neither of those is the same as communism or socialism.

Because you think someone else acts badly is no reason to act in a manner you know is bad. Point it out, but repeating thier bad behaviour is at best childish.

 

[Sukerkin]

Context is King, Don. Do you really want to draw on a terrorist, a religious fanatic and a junkie as being amongst your sources?

I truly sometimes think that the Net, more specifically Google, has been the death of informed debate.

Shallowness of thinking and avoidance of understanding have become all too common-place because people can substitute a search string for knowledge - or, more accurately, the considered rumination of information into knowledge over time.

 

[Steve]

All I know is, I don't want anyone to think elder999 and I have the same political beliefs. That guy is a loon!


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[Master Dan]

I don't like what Billi does with the constant links. I don't think it would be right to do the same thing. It wouldn't be any better because I was doing it and I really dislike hypocrits

There are things about this country that are great due to both Democrats and Republicans. The repectful opposition to each other actually helps keep a good balance between the two parties' various interest. However, when the opposition becomes disrespectful and politics becomes more about treating the other side as them, always attacking, regardless of truth or consequence, it becomes like a cancer for our country. Even though this is a political section of Martial Talk, and political discussions can get heated, there should be respect among us. In my opinion, the constant links attacking anything and everything "left," many times equating anyone who is left with criminals and stupid behaviour, is just plain disrespectful and rude. Rather than forward any discussion, it makes people defensive and irritated, when it is not neccesary.

This is a very good perspective well thought out I agree. One of the points I would like to rebuff is the rights constant bantering as to who are the only people qualified to be president? I am going to start a new thread.

 

[billc]

WC lun, you need to study socialism,nazism, facism and communism a little more deeply. Then you would see that they are all the same, with small, surface differences. I can recommend some wonderful economists, political scientists and other specialists in various fields that can help you in your research.

 

[WC_lun]

Billi, you need to stop reading fringe authors whose work is sketchy, at best. Socialism, nazism, facism, communism, and the one you missed, totalorism are not the same, no matter how hard you may wish it so. They are not all the sole domain of left wing politics either. While some of those things may exsist at the same time, in the same government, they are not the same. Time for you to stop singing that old tune.