Tyson vs Paul

[Wing Woo Gar]

Little Vaseline was my prison nickname.

Yikes. Scared me regardless of how you got that name.

 

[Buka]

This can go with the That Person thread, but it fits here, too.

We had a good interview process in place to find out why a student joined.

There was a lengthy application to be filled out with questions concerning just that. Then you trained a month for free to see if you liked it. If you really needed a second one you’d usually get that too.

You had to watch a lot of classes, watch a lot of hard training and sparring, boxing and kickboxing. There were a few students over the years that didn’t want to spar, but that was okay, you were still treated the same, you just couldn’t advance in rank.

When you have a large class of people of varying abilities it can be difficult to insure them the best workout in class if you don’t prepare a lesson plan for that eventuality.

All dojos are different, but in ours you weren’t going home with a dry gi. Nope, not happening. Even beginners had to work their butts off by at least the end of the second week. You knew that going in and saw it in the classes you had to watch.

First punch you learned were the jabs we learned in boxing. (plural used intentionally)

A flick jab measuring distance, a double jab - advancing more on the second, a stiff arm jab (used to intercept and stop their advance if their guard was open) a fake jab to catch their eye and change your footwork, a flick jab that was part back-fist (think early Ali.)

Then…. what are you combining that jab with?

So let’s say you have a class of students with varying degrees of physicality and reasons for being there. You drill them up and down the floor throwing whatever jab they’re capable of properly throwing. You correct and encourage as they go.

Advanced students, if there’s some in that class, have the green light to pick which jab or jab combination they want to throw, or all of them if they want to.

You walk around the class with your assistants if you have them, taking a stance in front of each student and allow them to use you as a target. If they hit you, good for them. But that’s not usually going to happen.

It’s your count they’re moving on, they’re throwing what you tell them to throw, when you stand in front of them you’re setting the distance, and you have your guard up.

If you end up blocking a jab with your face YOU weren’t paying attention.

Sometimes we do that same class a different way. Instead of calling it a jab drill we would call it an “advancing technique drill.”

Some would be throwing a jab, some a sliding up front foot roundhouse, some a foot sweep, some a leg kick or a leg check.

Halfway through class, or maybe the next day, you pair them off and let them do one or two step strikes at each other. (The ones that you just worked on.)

Mouthpieces in, headgear if they wanted it.

Everyone was expected to have a mouthpiece available in every class. Just like you’re expected to have your driving license on you when you’re driving a car. You were also expected to be wearing a cup.

If you forgot, hey, it happens, you’ll just do pushups for the remainder of the class. If you want to do just pushups just forget your mouthpiece. (We also sold them at the dojo, they cost a buck.)

We were fortunate to a have a good, old fashioned boxing gym across the square from us for the first five years of our careers.

Marvin Hagler used to stop in once in a while when he was coming up on his way to the title. He’d go one round with everyone, working only on his defense. It was like boxing with a ghost. He could move. Freddy Roach trained full time there as a kid. His whole family did. Really nice people.

We’d workout on our own in the morning, go to the boxing gym for a couple hours in early afternoon, walk across the square and be in the dojo at four o’clock. Life was good.

I’ll tell you a great story about Marvin Hagler and Howard Cosell.

Hagler first fought for the middleweight title against champion Vito Antuofermo.
It was declared a draw so Antuofermo retained the title.

A bunch of my buddies went to Vegas for the fight. When it was over the boys were in an elevator. Howard Cosell gets on. He only goes two floors and is getting off.
As he does, my buddy Al says, “I might not know anything about boxing but Hagler won that fight.”

Cosell stops, turns and points to Al. And in that distinct Cosell voice says, “You are one hundred percent correct. You don’t know anything about boxing.” As the door closes in Al’s face.

We busted his chops about that for at least ten years.

 

[marvin8]

That wasn't a choreographed fight...

Are you guys all on this "it's all fake!" Theme? Like YouTube is more important than the actual tape?

The overall public opinion will determine whether Jake Paul's business model continues to succeed, not any one opinion.

I agree with Roy Jones Jr. that Jake's ability to raise money for women's boxing, Tyson, etc., is "a beautiful thing."

I've watched the fight over a dozen times (actually the whole card) and I have yet to find a single "staged" moment.

In rounds 1 and 2, Tyson pursues Jake and cuts off the ring. Throughout the fight, Mike continues to move well and is in good condition. However, Mike doesn't throw many punches despite being down on the cards.

https://imgur.com/9k7o9wO

Sylvester Stallone says Mike Tyson gave 'one of the great Oscar-winning performances' in Jake Paul fight

The 'Rocky' star seems to believe Tyson pulled some punches against Paul

www.cbssports.com

"Sylvester Stallone says Mike Tyson gave 'one of the great Oscar-winning performances' in Jake Paul fight:"

 

[Gyakuto]

You know, if I saw Tyson moving towards me like that, there’d be brown slurry running down my legs! He’s like a tiger in the last moment of a kill!

 

[JowGaWolf]

The overall public opinion will determine whether Jake Paul's business model continues to succeed, not any one opinion.

I think it will. I know when I sat down to watch, I saw how everything looked, and I said to myself "This is how boxing should be." The lights and the setup help create the environment. Unfortunately, the only way it's going to be big like that is if the boxers get into social media and interact with the fans. Allow the boxer to build their fan base via social media. That's going to be a must. They gotta stay engaged with their fans even if a match isn't coming up.

I wish I had a social media personality because I would have used it to help promote the kung fu school that I taught at. But then again we weren't the norm for kung fu schools. But I'm hoping I can open a Jow Ga school in the future and hopefully I'll be able to take advantage of social media as well. It would be nice to see Martial Talk go that way as well. Hint, Hint. Wink Wink. lol.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Yikes. Scared me regardless of how you got that name.

I'm still getting chuckles off that name. That would make a great Call of Duty tag.

 

[Gyakuto]

I think it will. I know when I sat down to watch, I saw how everything looked, and I said to myself "This is how boxing should be." The lights and the setup help create the environment.

My friends and I had the very opposite thought! We felt it was childish with the daft car, the build up and wait. We favoured Tyson’s walk on and into the ring with minimal fuss; very dignified. In Britain sporting event tend to be understated. Walk on, sing the national anthem and get on with the action. That, after all is what people have come to see.

Unfortunately, the only way it's going to be big like that is if the boxers get into social media and interact with the fans. Allow the boxer to build their fan base via social media. That's going to be a must. They gotta stay engaged with their fans even if a match isn't coming up.

It’d end up with insults, bad language and death threats. No big sports person would engage with people in that way if they had any sense.

I wish I had a social media personality because I would have used it to help promote the kung fu school that I taught at. But then again we weren't the norm for kung fu schools. But I'm hoping I can open a Jow Ga school in the future and hopefully I'll be able to take advantage of social media as well.

Best of luck.

It would be nice to see Martial Talk go that way as well. Hint, Hint. Wink Wink. lol.

<Shudder> The martial arts are about humility, dignity, and erudition and what you describe is, in my opinion, contrary to that spirit. Advertising is fine but social media is something else with a slight faecal smell.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

This can go with the That Person thread, but it fits here, too.

We had a good interview process in place to find out why a student joined.

There was a lengthy application to be filled out with questions concerning just that. Then you trained a month for free to see if you liked it. If you really needed a second one you’d usually get that too.

You had to watch a lot of classes, watch a lot of hard training and sparring, boxing and kickboxing. There were a few students over the years that didn’t want to spar, but that was okay, you were still treated the same, you just couldn’t advance in rank.

When you have a large class of people of varying abilities it can be difficult to insure them the best workout in class if you don’t prepare a lesson plan for that eventuality.

All dojos are different, but in ours you weren’t going home with a dry gi. Nope, not happening. Even beginners had to work their butts off by at least the end of the second week. You knew that going in and saw it in the classes you had to watch.

First punch you learned were the jabs we learned in boxing. (plural used intentionally)

A flick jab measuring distance, a double jab - advancing more on the second, a stiff arm jab (used to intercept and stop their advance if their guard was open) a fake jab to catch their eye and change your footwork, a flick jab that was part back-fist (think early Ali.)

Then…. what are you combining that jab with?

So let’s say you have a class of students with varying degrees of physicality and reasons for being there. You drill them up and down the floor throwing whatever jab they’re capable of properly throwing. You correct and encourage as they go.

Advanced students, if there’s some in that class, have the green light to pick which jab or jab combination they want to throw, or all of them if they want to.

You walk around the class with your assistants if you have them, taking a stance in front of each student and allow them to use you as a target. If they hit you, good for them. But that’s not usually going to happen.

It’s your count they’re moving on, they’re throwing what you tell them to throw, when you stand in front of them you’re setting the distance, and you have your guard up.

If you end up blocking a jab with your face YOU weren’t paying attention.

Sometimes we do that same class a different way. Instead of calling it a jab drill we would call it an “advancing technique drill.”

Some would be throwing a jab, some a sliding up front foot roundhouse, some a foot sweep, some a leg kick or a leg check.

Halfway through class, or maybe the next day, you pair them off and let them do one or two step strikes at each other. (The ones that you just worked on.)

Mouthpieces in, headgear if they wanted it.

Everyone was expected to have a mouthpiece available in every class. Just like you’re expected to have your driving license on you when you’re driving a car. You were also expected to be wearing a cup.

If you forgot, hey, it happens, you’ll just do pushups for the remainder of the class. If you want to do just pushups just forget your mouthpiece. (We also sold them at the dojo, they cost a buck.)

We were fortunate to a have a good, old fashioned boxing gym across the square from us for the first five years of our careers.

Marvin Hagler used to stop in once in a while when he was coming up on his way to the title. He’d go one round with everyone, working only on his defense. It was like boxing with a ghost. He could move. Freddy Roach trained full time there as a kid. His whole family did. Really nice people.

We’d workout on our own in the morning, go to the boxing gym for a couple hours in early afternoon, walk across the square and be in the dojo at four o’clock. Life was good.

I’ll tell you a great story about Marvin Hagler and Howard Cosell.

Hagler first fought for the middleweight title against champion Vito Antuofermo.
It was declared a draw so Antuofermo retained the title.

A bunch of my buddies went to Vegas for the fight. When it was over the boys were in an elevator. Howard Cosell gets on. He only goes two floors and is getting off.
As he does, my buddy Al says, “I might not know anything about boxing but Hagler won that fight.”

Cosell stops, turns and points to Al. And in that distinct Cosell voice says, “You are one hundred percent correct. You don’t know anything about boxing.” As the door closes in Al’s face.

We busted his chops about that for at least ten years.

What a great post!

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

I'm still getting chuckles off that name. That would make a great Call of Duty tag.

My favorite COD handle was Lego my Yayo.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

My friends and I had the very opposite thought! We felt it was childish with the daft car, the build up and wait. We favoured Tyson’s walk on and into the ring with minimal fuss; very dignified. In Britain sporting event tend to be understated. Walk on, sing the national anthem and get on with the action. That, after all is what people have come to see.

It’d end up with insults, bad language and death threats. No big sports person would engage with people in that way if they had any sense.

Best of luck.

<Shudder> The martial arts are about humility, dignity, and erudition and what you describe is, in my opinion, contrary to that spirit. Advertising is fine but social media is something else with a slight faecal smell.

Is that what that is? I’ve been wondering for 2 years.

 

[JowGaWolf]

My friends and I had the very opposite thought! We felt it was childish with the daft car, the build up and wait.

I'm not talking about the car lol That was stupid. I'm talking about everything before that. I'm talking about what you saw before anyone came out to fight.
This stuff Like when you look at the set up and how they set up the environment to get people pumped up.

But it shouldn't be just for big names. It should be done in a way that people have a good time even if the fight isn't the best.

On a different note it looks like Netflix is getting sued.
"Netflix is facing a class action lawsuit over the streaming issues during the Mike Tyson vs. Jake Paul fight. The lawsuit, filed by a Florida man named Ronald "Blue" Denton, accuses Netflix of breach of contract and deceptive trade practices due to the numerous streaming glitches and buffering issues that plagued the event246.

Many viewers experienced significant problems with the livestream, leading to widespread frustration and disappointment. The lawsuit claims that Netflix was unprepared for the high volume of viewers and failed to provide a stable streaming experience."

Netflix will win that battle.

 

[Sammy Naur]

The overall public opinion will determine whether Jake Paul's business model continues to succeed, not any one opinion.

I agree with Roy Jones Jr. that Jake's ability to raise money for women's boxing, Tyson, etc., is "a beautiful thing."


In rounds 1 and 2, Tyson pursues Jake and cuts off the ring. Throughout the fight, Mike continues to move well and is in good condition. However, Mike doesn't throw many punches despite being down on the cards.

https://imgur.com/9k7o9wO

Sylvester Stallone says Mike Tyson gave 'one of the great Oscar-winning performances' in Jake Paul fight

The 'Rocky' star seems to believe Tyson pulled some punches against Paul

www.cbssports.com

"Sylvester Stallone says Mike Tyson gave 'one of the great Oscar-winning performances' in Jake Paul fight:"

All due respect, Stallone has never been a boxer and has only played at boxing. So his opinion is barely above those people who only watch a match here or there but write essays and post reaction videos on YouTube.

Stallone's also a politics junkie and steroid addict. Last I heard he was busy posting conspiracy theories, that is as only two weeks ago.

The few times he's actually messed with boxers was to "taste the rainbow" as we sometimes call it in the gym (slang for tasting your own blood). He didn't like it one but, but he went on to make some of the most unrealistic boxing movies in history (basically, every Rocky movie).

Now you want to see an actor who took his boxing education seriously? There have been a couple (Russell Crowe, Daniel Day Lewis) but this guy...

Jake Gyllenhaal gained 15Ibs of muscle to play boxer and is ripped again for UFC role

Jake Gyllenhaal impressed many when he showed off his ripped physique and MMA skills while filming scenes for a new movie at UFC 285. The Hollywood actor will star in a remake of Patrick Swayze’s 1…

talksport.com

 

[JowGaWolf]

We favoured Tyson’s walk on and into the ring with minimal fuss; very dignified. In Britain sporting event tend to be understated. Walk on, sing the national anthem and get on with the action. That, after all is what people have come to see.

That's ole skool. Today's audience needs a shiny ball in front of them every minute. I don't like it but that's where the world is today.

It’d end up with insults, bad language and death threats. No big sports person would engage with people in that way if they had any sense.

Nah you think too negatively about it. That's no game stopper.
Ryan Garcia has 1.7 million subscribers. All of them can't be haters. Besides Haters have their own Youtube channels. Why give the guy you hate move views by bringing haters to his channel? Also the questions is: Do you subscribe to people you hate? Just saying.

Ryan Garcia

Ryan Garcia's official YouTube channel Undefeated ⢠lightweight superstar ⢠23-0 ⢠19koâs ð¥

www.youtube.com

The martial arts are about humility, dignity, and erudition and what you describe is, in my opinion, contrary to that spirit. Advertising is fine but social media is something else with a slight faecal smell.

What are you even talking about. Martial Arts is not about humility, dignity, and erudition (who speaks like this lol). But anyway. Martial Arts Isn't about that. Intentional Groin attacks, neck attacks, eye pokes, bone breaks, sword cuts, dagger cuts, and blunt force trauma are poor examples of humility, dignity, and erudition. (new word for the day). Literally if you look at the techniques found in martial arts arts, they are designed to hurt someone in the most efficient manner. Have you trained weapons in martial arts before. That stuff is brutal. Knife fighting techniques. brutal. CMA double dagger techniques are in human.

People confuse Martial Arts with Positive human moral values. These are two different things. Those values that you talk about except the last one, are values that I have without martial arts. I don't need martial arts to be person of high moral values. I definitely wouldn't seek martial arts to gain those values when everything I train in martial arts is about hurting someone.

You have the wrong understanding about martial arts. Look at what your techniques are designed to do and face the reality of that. Even shaolin monks don't get their moral values from martial arts. They get them from their religious belief.

 

[Buka]

That's ole skool. Today's audience needs a shiny ball in front of them every minute. I don't like it but that's where the world is today.


Nah you think too negatively about it. That's no game stopper.
Ryan Garcia has 1.7 million subscribers. All of them can't be haters. Besides Haters have their own Youtube channels. Why give the guy you hate move views by bringing haters to his channel? Also the questions is: Do you subscribe to people you hate? Just saying.

Ryan Garcia

Ryan Garcia's official YouTube channel Undefeated ⢠lightweight superstar ⢠23-0 ⢠19koâs ð¥

www.youtube.com

What are you even talking about. Martial Arts is not about humility, dignity, and erudition (who speaks like this lol). But anyway. Martial Arts Isn't about that. Intentional Groin attacks, neck attacks, eye pokes, bone breaks, sword cuts, dagger cuts, and blunt force trauma are poor examples of humility, dignity, and erudition. (new word for the day). Literally if you look at the techniques found in martial arts arts, they are designed to hurt someone in the most efficient manner. Have you trained weapons in martial arts before. That stuff is brutal. Knife fighting techniques. brutal. CMA double dagger techniques are in human.

People confuse Martial Arts with Positive human moral values. These are two different things. Those values that you talk about except the last one, are values that I have without martial arts. I don't need martial arts to be person of high moral values. I definitely wouldn't seek martial arts to gain those values when everything I train in martial arts is about hurting someone.

You have the wrong understanding about martial arts. Look at what your techniques are designed to do and face the reality of that. Even shaolin monks don't get their moral values from martial arts. They get them from their religious belief.

I have to disagree with a little part of your post. I don’t doubt at all about the values you had without Martial Arts. But a lot of young men I was teaching back in the day didn’t have those values for one reason or another.

Teaching young men how to inflict damage on another person if they don’t have certain values can be a very slippery slope.

It helps if the instructors lead by example. But sometimes it might not be enough. So we had to teach them, at least some of them, values from the teachings of Martial thought and martial philosophy.

Granted, it helps if they’re intimidated by the more experienced martial artists in the dojo, but if you teach them values and everyone there does the same thing, they start to get it and adopt it as their own.

It seemed to work. Kids that looked like they would be heading to jail at some point in their
lives, didn’t. Instead they became gentlemen, had famines and taught those very values to their own children.

So far so good.

 

[Gyakuto]

I'm not talking about the car lol That was stupid. I'm talking about everything before that. I'm talking about what you saw before anyone came out to fight.

Ohhhh I see!

On a different note it looks like Netflix is getting sued.
"Netflix is facing a class action lawsuit over the streaming issues during the Mike Tyson vs. Jake Paul fight. The lawsuit, filed by a Florida man named Ronald "Blue" Denton, accuses Netflix of breach of contract and deceptive trade practices due to the numerous streaming glitches and buffering issues that plagued the event246

I don’t think it’ll get very far. The interest in the fight was unprecedented, after all and couldn’t be predicted (that’ll be their reasonable defence). Do you guys sue over any little transgression? No wonder your lawyers are so wealthy!

Many viewers experienced significant problems with the livestream, leading to widespread frustration and disappointment. The lawsuit claims that Netflix was unprepared for the high volume of viewers and failed to provide a stable streaming experience."

Ah they’ve already said that!

Netflix will win that battle.

Yes, indeed.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Do you guys sue over any little transgression?

In the US? yep. Everything is fair game. A lady bought coffee and she spilled it in her car and it burned her. She sued McDonalds for hot coffee so now there's a warning on the cup that the coffee is hot. They probably should put warnings on match boxes saying "may start fire" lol

 

[Steve]

In the US? yep. Everything is fair game. A lady bought coffee and she spilled it in her car and it burned her. She sued McDonalds for hot coffee so now there's a warning on the cup that the coffee is hot. They probably should put warnings on match boxes saying "may start fire" lol

That’s not at all what happened. Worth looking it up.

Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The lady was 78 years old, was in the hospital for 8 days with 2nd and 3rd degree burns and wanted to settle for $20k to cover her medical bills. They offered her $800, so she sued them.

Don’t get me wrong. We live in a litigious society, but this is really a much better example of how corporations can villainize the victim with money and an effective, well paid PR team.

 

[Sammy Naur]

That’s not at all what happened. Worth looking it up.

Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The lady was 78 years old, was in the hospital for 8 days with 2nd and 3rd degree burns and wanted to settle for $20k to cover her medical bills. They offered her $800, so she sued them.

Don’t get me wrong. We live in a litigious society, but this is really a much better example of how corporations can villainize the victim with money and an effective, well paid PR team.

I know a lot about coffee and it's true, there is absolutely no reason to drink it "hot".

What McDs used to do was continually heat their coffee all day long, which is normal for roasting (and something gas stations are notorious for), but you can't serve it that hot. Actually it can lead to cancer, burns aside. Ever since I learned that I only drink coffee or tea lukewarm or mildly hot (maybe 120F)

Modern coffee machines nowadays are made with automatic shutoff, to prevent dangerous temperatures, and McDs being what they are, and their volume, I think it's notable that it never really happened again. I mean people burn themselves with hot drinks all the time, but not that hot...200F? They might as well be serving lava.

 

[Sammy Naur]

Here we go, "controversial social media star..."

Isn't this guy on home detention awaiting trial for sex trafficking? So he'd have to beat his criminal charges, then he released, then fight Jake Paul??

This development makes Jake Paul seem like an angel in comparison.

Andrew Tate claims he is open to teaching Jake Paul ‘a lesson’ | Sporting News Australia

Controversial social media star Andrew Tate is seemingly open to fighting Jake Paul.

www.sportingnews.com

 

[JowGaWolf]

That’s not at all what happened. Worth looking it up

Coffee is hot unless it's iced or chilled
"According to the National Coffee Association, the ideal water temperature for extraction is between 195°F and 205°F, which is a little below the boiling point of water — 212°F. What’s handy about this temperature range is that it works across all brewing methods."

Those temperature ranges are on my tea pot. When I make coffee, it is at boiling point. When someone orders hot coffee then they will get hot coffee so handle it with care. Hot water is more likely to cause injury then cold water.

Accidents happen. We do stuff and get injured. Sueing because coffee was hot is like suing a knife manufacturer for making the knife too sharp. Knives are sharp unless it wasn't designed to be sharp (butter knife)

Now if the McDonalds worker accidently spilled the cup then yes.