Twin Fist said it would happen...

[Daniel Sullivan]

....and he was told that it was not likely. He said, just wait and see.

Well, now it has. The commercialization of BJJ...

...by the Gracies. And apparently advertised in Black Belt Magazine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVDPL4xvVRU&feature=player_embedded

They even go so far as to say that learning online through the Gracie college is better than going to a Gracie school.

It is well produced, and may have merit as a training tool, but better than going to an actual school?? I just cannot see that statement as anything more than blatant commercialism.

This is the same thing that CHKD (GM Pelligrini) and IKCA Kenpo (Chuck Sullivan) get ripped for here (no, I am not ripping on either man).

And so, Twin Fist, your prediction has come true. I would link the thread, but I cannot remember which one it was and it has been a couple of months at least.

Daniel

Edit To the mods: if this thread is better suited in a different section, please relocate it.

 

[CuongNhuka]

How is this news? They made the UFC with pretty much the only intent of showing off how awesome they are. And lied about how good there fighters are (They kind of forgot to mention that there founder lost to Masahiko Kimura when they talk about undefeated they are).

 

[ATC]

It looks great as you stated (a tool). I could see this being used by instructors to help you to practice at home. This is a great tool, but I can not see this replacing an instructor. I would use it as an "OK class we learned ABC today. Please go home and logon to the site and use lesson 123 to refresh what we learned and be prepared demonstrate this again on X-day.

 

[Daniel Sullivan]

It looks great as you stated (a tool). I could see this being used by instructors to help you to practice at home. This is a great tool, but I can not see this replacing an instructor. I would use it as an "OK class we learned ABC today. Please go home and logon to the site and use lesson 123 to refresh what we learned and be prepared demonstrate this again on X-day.

QFT!

Daniel

 

[MJS]

....and he was told that it was not likely. He said, just wait and see.

Well, now it has. The commercialization of BJJ...

...by the Gracies. And apparently advertised in Black Belt Magazine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVDPL4xvVRU&feature=player_embedded

They even go so far as to say that learning online through the Gracie college is better than going to a Gracie school.

It is well produced, and may have merit as a training tool, but better than going to an actual school?? I just cannot see that statement as anything more than blatant commercialism.

This is the same thing that CHKD (GM Pelligrini) and IKCA Kenpo (Chuck Sullivan) get ripped for here (no, I am not ripping on either man).

And so, Twin Fist, your prediction has come true. I would link the thread, but I cannot remember which one it was and it has been a couple of months at least.

Daniel

Edit To the mods: if this thread is better suited in a different section, please relocate it.

After a minute in, I stopped watching. I did think it was friggin' hilarious that they disabled the comments! LMAO!! Hey, more power to them. Like I say about all distance learning scams....er, I mean programs....you can't do it with the same effectiveness as training under a live teacher. I mean, with the Gracie craze, there are affiliate schools all over the place, and even if it was GJJ, I'd bet anything that within at least an hour drive, you could find a BJJ school somewhere. So....wouldn't it make more sense to train at a school, rather than sit IFO your computer, watch some moves, grab a friend, and try to figure them out? Already have a background in BJJ...fine, then this is a good supplement, but to use as a sole learning tool...nope.

 

[ATC]

QFT!

Daniel

Sorry but I do not know what that means. Can you please explain? Thanks.

 

[Bruno@MT]

Sorry but I do not know what that means. Can you please explain? Thanks.

It means 'Quoted For Truth' which is like quating something and then saying +1. It's a way to add weight to someone else's post by saying that you agree.

 

[ATC]

It means 'Quoted For Truth' which is like quating something and then saying +1. It's a way to add weight to someone else's post by saying that you agree.

Aahh..Thank you.

 

[Brian R. VanCise]

Good for a supplement to regular training under a qualified instructor but to only train from video = ridiculous. To many errors will slip through and be ingrained.

 

[celtic_crippler]

It's all about the Benjamins.

 

[punisher73]

Good for a supplement to regular training under a qualified instructor but to only train from video = ridiculous. To many errors will slip through and be ingrained.

I agree. Also, I do agree with them that the style of GJJ that was designed for self-defense by their family isn't what is taught in the majority of schools. They mainly teach the sport aspect of it and don't teach any of the self-defense techs that are a part of GJJ.

BUT, those videos should be a supplement to people that they can add back in the SD aspect if they want to and practice it with live opponents under a skilled instructor.

 

[Daniel Sullivan]

If I were a certified GJJ instructor, I would so be putting my name in for one of those Gracie Garage references. That was actually the coolest part of the program.

Daniel

 

[zDom]

So, any predictions on how long before GJJ gets a "McJijitu" reputation and stories start circulating about ineffective GJJ "blackbelts" getting their butts whipped by street brawlers?


Hmm... maybe I should reserve a domain name for a MMA fraud-busting site:

maybe, "Crapplers" ? "Crappling"?

 

[celtic_crippler]

So, any predictions on how long before GJJ gets a "McJijitu" reputation and stories start circulating about ineffective GJJ "blackbelts" getting their butts whipped by street brawlers?


Hmm... maybe I should reserve a domain name for a MMA fraud-busting site:

maybe, "Crapplers" ? "Crappling"?

www-jushitzu-com

 

[James Kovacich]

Initialy, The Gracie Academies website Gracie Univeristy said all that black belts would test in person and that meant passing the test. Thats what they said. There site may be (University) disabled becuse there link (from the academies site) didn't work when I just checked it.

As for the format. Jean Jaques machado uses a similar format w/o the testing. You can make arrangements to train with him but he does not guarantee belts.

To be fair, the Gracies didn't guarantee belts either. Even though they accepted video for "color belts" they "said" that they expected students testing to achieve the same results as academy students and that is in regards to "passing" the test.

That all came from their website. But I was not able to check it today. This has been in several forums for awhile now.

 

[James Kovacich]

How is this news? They made the UFC with pretty much the only intent of showing off how awesome they are. And lied about how good there fighters are (They kind of forgot to mention that there founder lost to Masahiko Kimura when they talk about undefeated they are).

How was it a lie about their fighters? Aside from Kimura, they proved their point and the world paid attention. "They" alone woke up the MA community. Most systems liked to "think" they already had grappling in their systems but it was so deep hidden in their kata, they couldn't figure out how to access it and if they could, the delivery system was less efficient.

I beleive that all arts have something to offer, some more, some less. This is from the eyes thats has seen much unfold. I just noticed your age. I'm sorry my friend, you didn't see it "happen" as many of us have. It's wrong to talk about the Gracies fighters. They stormed America and "they were" the ones to beat.

They introduced more realistic training applications and the world followed it . It was only a matter of time before the world would catch up and in some cases pass them.

 

[elder999]

. And lied about how good there fighters are (They kind of forgot to mention that there founder lost to Masahiko Kimura when they talk about undefeated they are).

Helio also lost to Valdemar Santana. He was 40, Valdemar was 23. They've never hidden the outcome of either match-and made the valid point that Kimura broke Helio's arm to end a long match, and that the match with Valdemar ended when helio became exhausted-I've seen before and after pics of both men from that fight, and you'd think Valedmar had lost.....FWIW.....

 

[shihansmurf]

It's all about the Benjamins.

Aren't you an IKCA Black Belt?


I tease cause I'm starting to work through the ICKA material myself.

Given the subjective nature of belt rankings, I'm not really bothered by this.
I have doubts as to how well a person can learn solely from video without having a solid base from which to build but I can see a lot of value in this resource. If a person wants to earn rank this way then I'm pretty ambivilent about it. If they value the belt they earned, then cool. It doesn't diminish my, or anyone else's, black belts.

What I am curious about, though, is how well the site presents the material. Does it do a good job with the technical instruction? For those of you with a GJJ background, how does the material that they are showing compare with what you learned in the school that you trained? Would this be a good source for guys that want to pick up a bit on their ground game but don't really care about the rank?

Mark

 

[girlbug2]

Please tell me this is an elaborate hoax!

 

[Daniel Sullivan]

Initialy, The Gracie Academies website Gracie Univeristy said all that black belts would test in person and that meant passing the test. Thats what they said. There site may be (University) disabled becuse there link (from the academies site) didn't work when I just checked it.

As for the format. Jean Jaques machado uses a similar format w/o the testing. You can make arrangements to train with him but he does not guarantee belts.

To be fair, the Gracies didn't guarantee belts either. Even though they accepted video for "color belts" they "said" that they expected students testing to achieve the same results as academy students and that is in regards to "passing" the test.

That all came from their website. But I was not able to check it today. This has been in several forums for awhile now.

No, there is no guarantee of belts. Nor is there in the IKCA. If I am not mistaken, CHKD has a video test program and they do not guarantee belts either.

But both the IKCA and CHKD have been ripped to death for the program on this board. IKCA does have an in-person testing option, and I assume that Gracie college does as well. No idea on CHKD, though I would assume that they do.

I thought that the video of the site looked very well done. From what I saw, the site is pro and is an excellent training supplement.

The only thing that made my eyebrows go up (and up!) was the lengthy statement about the online/video program being superior to going to a brick and mortar Gracie Jiu Jitsu school with an acredited instructor.

Daniel