TLC Top 10 Martial Arts

[JDenz]

Re: Gracie dose like the botom
quote: Originally posted by ace

(If you have watched the UFC's you would know that Gracie always tried to get tp position, Not to mention the only gracies anywhere near the top ten in any rankings are Renzo and Ryan)

But he does have over 350 realitives
all of which are fighters,
So they keep the other guys off Royce in street fights?
(What Ace is saying is that Royce is always going to be with alot of people and not alot of people are going to be stomping him when they are fighting his 20 cousins that are with him and his 30 students)

quote: He is usaly with a train of people.
He does have a cool entrance in those early UFC's allright. I didn't think he just walked around like that in the street though.

quote: Most grapplers do train with a lot of people.
So he's experienced in training with people?
(Ace was saying that They train in striking as well)

quote: Now lets say the is on the bottom but pulles out a knife.
Or Vise versa.
Ok. So, then what? Guy with knife wins I imagine.
(=-) that is true)


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[kenposcum]

Saw the show.
Vomited profusely.
Agree with Bod's post: if you...then take (name of art).
:asian:

 

[Angus]

Again, JDenz, if you take a style of Karate that specializes in full contact fighting (ie, Kyokushin, etc) and have them train as hard as most MT fighters, and you have an equally qualified fighter. It has FAR less to do with the art and MUCH more to do with the fighter and how they train (very very important).

Not all Karate is point sparring.

 

[ace]

Wasn't there a Kyokusin fighter
In UFC 7??

They guy Paul Varlenz fought??

 

[JDenz]

Gerry Harris was the guys name Primo here is here record

Loss Paul Varelans Submission (Elbows on the Ground) UFC 7 - The Brawl in Buffalo 9-8-1995

Loss Igor Guerus KO IFC 1 - Kombat in Kiev 3-30-1996 No No

Loss Hugo Duarte Submission (Punches) UVF 2 - Universal Vale Tudo Fighting 2 6-24-1996

Win Harry Moskowitz Submission (Guillotine Choke) IFC 2 - Mayhem in Mississippi 8-23-1996

Loss Vasily Kudin Submission (Strikes) AFC 2 - Absolute Fighting Championship 2 (Day 2) 5-2-1997


If you notice his only win came with a submission hold

 

[Angus]

Probably wasn't that great of a fighter by their standards. I stick by my claim: it has nothing to do with the art, it's all about the fighter and how they train.

 

[JDenz]

LOL Defintily it is the fighter that is the whole point. If a guy was strickly Karate or Kung-fu he would lose everytime. The fighters that win start in those disaplines and pick up MT and some form of ground fighting.

 

[Nyoongar]

I think it is more of a combination.

1) The individual (physical and mental attributes)

2) Instruction (good art with cr#p instruction means nothing)

3) The art (the style and the way you train)

4) The reason you train. Just like any sport you can tailor your training to meet your needs.

UFC rules are weighted towards grapplers. If you want to be a UFC fighter, you have to know how to grapple, be somewhat all rounded and be fit. Everything that I'm not!

 

[ace]

Conditioning, Stand up & the Ground Game.

The UFC was talyored to what works in the
Octogan

And Thats a Fight!
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[Nyoongar]

The UFC is not real fight. Maybe one of the nearest legal things to a fight, but its not a real fight. There are lots of rules. In a fight real fight there are no rules.

And there needs to be rules or the UFC fighters would be killing each other every night!

 

[JDenz]

Originally posted by Nyoongar

I think it is more of a combination.

1) The individual (physical and mental attributes)

defintly

2) Instruction (good art with cr#p instruction means nothing)

pretty true although if you are getting bad instruction you should leave.

3) The art (the style and the way you train)

if you train one art only you are in trouble.

4) The reason you train. Just like any sport you can tailor your training to meet your needs.

defintly any one training for fighting should be able to fight in every range.

UFC rules are weighted towards grapplers. If you want to be a UFC fighter, you have to know how to grapple, be somewhat all rounded and be fit. Everything that I'm not!

ask some Perdo Rizzo fought if UFC is weighted towards grapplers. Soft floors help the strikers just as much. Landing on your head and or shoulder is alot more painfull and dehabiliting on concreate or pavement or a fire hydrent then a canvas mat.

 

[Matt Stone]

As we sit here and watch all these pro-BJJ folks jumping up and down shouting "I'm better than youuuuuu are! I'm better than youuuuuu are!', it seems everyone has forgotten about the Kali folks listed at #6 (if I remember correctly).

I would love to see a BJJ guy try to close the distance with me as I sling stick at his exposed melon... Go ahead, block the stick with your hands! Go ahead, try to grab me as I bash you about the head and shoulders with fire-hardened rattan!

I'm sorry, but for all the a$$-kicking BJJ folks out there, I would love to see a BJJist toe to toe with someone that is armed and pi$$ed off... Somehow, seeing a BJJ vs. Pekiti Tirsia fight would be one worth watching, even if it is only going to result in a BJJist starting off with a white uniform, and going home with it being mostly (blood) red...

Enough ***** talking among the young 'uns... BJJ has its strengths, as does Muay Thai and karate and kung fu ad nauseum... Those who have to prove they are the best, or that their art is the best, are those who still have much to learn and much to gain from Viagra...

Gambarimasu.

 

[JDenz]

Kali was rated number 9 one better then BJJ, not a problem with me but they should be top 3

 

[ace]

I've Done Submisson Grappling & MMA

Im a Black belt in Arnis which is FMA.

 

[Damian Mavis]

How long does a black belt in Arnis take? I take Kali.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

 

[ace]

im a Lakan Isa
1st Dagree Black Belt.

The Art goes around the indavidual
Some take longer than others.

 

[Kenpo Wolf]

Originally posted by JDenz

,,,Soft floors help the strikers just as much. Landing on your head and or shoulder is alot more painfull and dehabiliting on concreate or pavement or a fire hydrent then a canvas mat.

No disrespect meant, JDenz, but that's total bull. A padded floor slows a stand up fighter down where a grappler would be in his element. Time yourself doing a technique on and off a padded mat and you will definitely see a difference. I'm not dissing grapplers as they have a tremendous advantage when its one on one, but there is more to the martial arts then just the UFC and their enclosed cage with no room to move

 

[ace]

Being dumped on there head would slow them down too

Vanderla seems to do just fine on his feet.

There are good stand up fighters in MMA.
But U need to know the Ground game

Ask Mo.

 

[RyuShiKan]

Originally posted by JDenz

....... If a guy was strickly Karate or Kung-fu he would lose everytime.

I am strictly Karate...............how come I have never lost to a ground fighter??????

I guess it doesn't make a difference what you study.....

 

[Nyoongar]

Only how you study?