TKD has do a lot of things for MA

[Manny]

I think TKD has done a lot of for the MA world, and here you have some good stuuf TKD has done over the years.

1.-KUKIWON and WTF is the largest MA conglomerate of any MA in the world, that's because of the good politics I have to say to united the mayoritie of TKD people and organizations worldwide.

2.-TKD has evolved and improved so well over the years that these days another MA's are using TKD mothodology about techs,training,etc.

3.-TKD equipment is widely used in other MA's, the palchaguis and the dommies (air shileds) are comon tools in almost every MA dojo I know.
The same aplies to fabrics and uniforms, right now the karate gi's are using the same breatheble fabrics with new technology TKD uses in the DOBOKS, what about TKD shoes?

4.-Safety?? Oh yes the best safety gear that come from TKD now is used around thw world in other MA, remeber Jon Ree safety equipment I think he was the pioneer in this stuff.

I really don't see the MA wolrd these days without the mark TKD has leave.

Manny

 

[ynnad]

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[Omar B]

I think TKD has done a lot of for the MA world, and here you have some good stuuf TKD has done over the years.
1.-KUKIWON and WTF is the largest MA conglomerate of any MA in the world, that's because of the good politics I have to say to united the mayoritie of TKD people and organizations worldwide.
2.-TKD has evolved and improved so well over the years that these days another MA's are using TKD mothodology about techs,training,etc.
3.-TKD equipment is widely used in other MA's, the palchaguis and the dommies (air shileds) are comon tools in almost every MA dojo I know.
The same aplies to fabrics and uniforms, right now the karate gi's are using the same breatheble fabrics with new technology TKD uses in the DOBOKS, what about TKD shoes?
4.-Safety?? Oh yes the best safety gear that come from TKD now is used around thw world in other MA, remeber Jon Ree safety equipment I think he was the pioneer in this stuff.
I really don't see the MA wolrd these days without the mark TKD has leave.
Manny

1. It may be big, but that does not mean it's good. Heck the infighting in TKD puts most others to shame and the size of the orgs leaves a lot of substandard schools that simply fall through the cracks.
2. If you say so. I've not seen anything from TKD in karate and yes I have done TKD so I can say that with a fair amount of certainty.
3. If you think so fine. Personally, targets and pads have been around way longer than TKD is. Go look of old boxing training films from the 20's and 30's.
4. Same as above.

 

[Tez3]

I think Manny is trying hard to be positive about an art he obviously loves and is often attacked, rightly or wrongly. It would be nice though if people could however find things to post that are also things they consider positive about TKD. there may be disagreements of course but hopefully there will be some positives everyone is ...well, positive about!

 

[Stac3y]

The protective equipment we use today did come from TKD, though I can't remember exactly who invented it--will have to look it up later.

I am a karate student, and my style (American Karate) has a strong TKD influence--great for me, since I'm a kicker.

 

[goingd]

I will say that Taekwondo has done a lot in America for kids. It has boosted or even sparked confidence for a lot of children. I know a few years after I started my dad had told me that he had noticed a lot of positive changes in me, especially as far as discipline and respect (though I was a teenager). To me, if that is all Taekwondo had to offer (which of course it's not), it would still be worth it.
^~^

 

[Aikicomp]

I think TKD has done a lot of for the MA world, and here you have some good stuuf TKD has done over the years.

1.-KUKIWON and WTF is the largest MA conglomerate of any MA in the world, that's because of the good politics I have to say to united the mayoritie of TKD people and organizations worldwide.

2.-TKD has evolved and improved so well over the years that these days another MA's are using TKD mothodology about techs,training,etc.

3.-TKD equipment is widely used in other MA's, the palchaguis and the dommies (air shileds) are comon tools in almost every MA dojo I know.
The same aplies to fabrics and uniforms, right now the karate gi's are using the same breatheble fabrics with new technology TKD uses in the DOBOKS, what about TKD shoes?

4.-Safety?? Oh yes the best safety gear that come from TKD now is used around thw world in other MA, remeber Jon Ree safety equipment I think he was the pioneer in this stuff.

I really don't see the MA wolrd these days without the mark TKD has leave.

Manny

I know you love your art, as I do mine and others do theirs, but, please!
some of those statements are....at the very least.....arguable.

You are about to get really flamed I'm SURE others will be along soon.

Good luck


Michael

 

[Tez3]

I know you love your art, as I do mine and others do theirs, but, please!
some of those statements are....at the very least.....arguable.

You are about to get really flamed I'm SURE others will be along soon.

Good luck


Michael

Well I hope he doesn't get flamed, a civil disagreement and debate by all means but not flamed please.

 

[ACJ]

1. It may be big, but that does not mean it's good. Heck the infighting in TKD puts most others to shame and the size of the orgs leaves a lot of substandard schools that simply fall through the cracks.
2. If you say so. I've not seen anything from TKD in karate and yes I have done TKD so I can say that with a fair amount of certainty.
3. If you think so fine. Personally, targets and pads have been around way longer than TKD is. Go look of old boxing training films from the 20's and 30's.
4. Same as above.

1. But that which he refers to, i.e the Kukkiwon, is quite well unified, only the ITF from my experience has "infighting". Not saying that the kukki is brilliant, but just pointing out the fallacy in your point.
3. But he didn't say just any targets and pads. He was referring to a particular type of mitt.
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[Gorilla]

The protective equipment we use today did come from TKD, though I can't remember exactly who invented it--will have to look it up later.

I am a karate student, and my style (American Karate) has a strong TKD influence--great for me, since I'm a kicker.

I think that the truth be told is that Bruce Lee was the first to use protective gear in Martial Arts Training. He was credited by Dana White as the inspiration for MMA. The MMA gloves come directly from "Enter the Dragon". Although Bruce Lee was influenced greatly by TKD Master Jhoon Rhee.

 

[Marginal]

1. But that which he refers to, i.e the Kukkiwon, is quite well unified, only the ITF from my experience has "infighting". Not saying that the kukki is brilliant, but just pointing out the fallacy in your point.

There seems to be plenty of back biting across every org or federation. The Kukkikwon is certainly not immune. (There's evidence enough of this just from reading this forum for a few months.)

It's kind of strange to single TKD out for this though, as it's present in every art. It's not like the Shotokan, Arnis, Wing Chun, Kenpo, Ninja dudes etc don't squabble a lot. Economies of scale are just at work in TKD.

 

[J Ellis]

Without TKD there would not be so many highly trained, deadly black belts in the 8-12 year old age bracket.

Seriously, the commercialization and sportification of TKD has corrupted what could otherwise be a decent art. The proliferation of McDojangs has damaged not only TKD's reputation but the MAs in general. The ridiculous and unethical behavior of many "masters," the nonsense taught as "self defense," and the prostitution of a highly athletic and potentially effective art for the sake of money is highly regrettable, but it is by no means unique to TKD. TKD just happened to be at the head of the curve.

I know TKD practitioners I would not want to meet in a dark alley, and I've had my ribs broken by one of them in sparring. TKD as a style and system is no better and no worse than the person using it. It has strengths and weaknesses as well as commendable traits and despicable ones, just like every other art available to the masses.

Joel

 

[ralphmcpherson]

The commercialisation of all arts has corrupted martial arts in general. There are mcdojos in all arts as well. In my area there are a lot more karate mcdojos than tkd mcdojos. I find usually the people who go around saying that tkd is full of mcdojos and kid black belts etc have never actually trained for any period in tkd they are just repeating what they've read on the internet.

 

[Manny]

I know you love your art, as I do mine and others do theirs, but, please!
some of those statements are....at the very least.....arguable.

You are about to get really flamed I'm SURE others will be along soon.

Good luck


Michael

Michael and all folks, this those were my feelings and toughts, are they arguable? yes for sure, this is a debatable forum, isn´t it?

Now, flamed? c-mon we are grown up men/women, it´s silly to get into a fight for my likes or your dislikes about TKD.

All in this life is dabatable, for example religion just to name one just one thing, so please let´s be mature and do some good debate about my post and say the goods and bads about TKD but.... in a polite way.

Thank you.

Manny

 

[Manny]

Without TKD there would not be so many highly trained, deadly black belts in the 8-12 year old age bracket.

Seriously, the commercialization and sportification of TKD has corrupted what could otherwise be a decent art. The proliferation of McDojangs has damaged not only TKD's reputation but the MAs in general. The ridiculous and unethical behavior of many "masters," the nonsense taught as "self defense," and the prostitution of a highly athletic and potentially effective art for the sake of money is highly regrettable, but it is by no means unique to TKD. TKD just happened to be at the head of the curve.

I know TKD practitioners I would not want to meet in a dark alley, and I've had my ribs broken by one of them in sparring. TKD as a style and system is no better and no worse than the person using it. It has strengths and weaknesses as well as commendable traits and despicable ones, just like every other art available to the masses.

Joel

Joel thanx for contributing. I have to say tha not only TKD promotes children or teens to black belt, this is not only from TKD I-ve seen a lot of children wearing a black belt from japanese karate, kenpo karate, and other japanese and chinese MA.

I can recall when I was a boy that be a black belt it was a very high rank and the dans were something very rare, I mean be a black belt was a sinonimous of been very well trained and versed in any MA, today I see a lot of folks who are 5th or 7th black belts and they are everywere.

TKD is not the only MA that can be wrong isssuing to kids the black belts, all MA sufer of the same.

And yes, as long as they are good doctors there are bad doctors, or lawyers and pseudolayers, MA has a very good men/woman and so much people that claims they know the death touch and earn big money and they completly suck.

There is no any seinlgle martial art that is THE BEST OF THE BEST, that-s why I am open minded about MA and I´ve been studiying some other arts just to enrich me.

Manny

 

[Aikicomp]

Michael and all folks, this those were my feelings and toughts, are they arguable? yes for sure, this is a debatable forum, isn´t it?

Now, flamed? c-mon we are grown up men/women, it´s silly to get into a fight for my likes or your dislikes about TKD.

All in this life is dabatable, for example religion just to name one just one thing, so please let´s be mature and do some good debate about my post and say the goods and bads about TKD but.... in a polite way.

Thank you.

Manny

Manny,

Is stating that "I really don't see the MA wolrd these days without the mark TKD has leave." Polite, grown up and mature? I do not think so. I think it's kind of conceited and making a very big assumption.


I never said I did not like TKD, however, when someone posts statements like those you have to expect to get some negative feedback from people and that's what I was expressing and that you should be prepared for it.

If you think I was impolite or insulting I apologize it was not my intent. I know you love your art and your practice as do I and as does everyone else.

#2 is IMHO a statement that just asks to be attacked, I have never even entertained the thought of using TKD's methodology, techniques or training...we have our own thank you.

It was a statement made with a wide brush and in my opinion (even if you did not intend it to be) comes off as arrogant and implies that TKD's methodology, techniques and training is so much better than other arts that the other arts needed to use TKD's techniques...simply not the case. Hell, maybe I took it wrong, but, can you see why you got some of the reactions you did?

Again, if I offended or insulted you I'm sorry.

Sometimes if you pull the tail of a tiger...you will get the teeth and claws.

Michael

 

[Manny]

Manny,

Is stating that "I really don't see the MA wolrd these days without the mark TKD has leave." Polite, grown up and mature? I do not think so. I think it's kind of conceited and making a very big assumption.


I never said I did not like TKD, however, when someone posts statements like those you have to expect to get some negative feedback from people and that's what I was expressing and that you should be prepared for it.

If you think I was impolite or insulting I apologize it was not my intent. I know you love your art and your practice as do I and as does everyone else.

#2 is IMHO a statement that just asks to be attacked, I have never even entertained the thought of using TKD's methodology, techniques or training...we have our own thank you.

It was a statement made with a wide brush and in my opinion (even if you did not intend it to be) comes off as arrogant and implies that TKD's methodology, techniques and training is so much better than other arts that the other arts needed to use TKD's techniques...simply not the case. Hell, maybe I took it wrong, but, can you see why you got some of the reactions you did?

Again, if I offended or insulted you I'm sorry.

Sometimes if you pull the tail of a tiger...you will get the teeth and claws.

Michael

Firsth of all my coments were not unpolite and never with bad intention, they wer just my feelings, you may agree or desagree.

Secondly I'm not arrogant never was and never will, I will leave this post with something that's palpable TKD has leave a mark in the MA world, this is not said by me but the thousands of people who practiced it around the world.

I have not any war with anybody here, we are just pals.

Peace.

Manny