This one's for the girls.

[MA-Caver]

Analysis: Clinton loosens up — finally
By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer Sat Jun 7, 5:41 PM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080607/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_analysis
WASHINGTON - This one's for the girls.

That was Hillary Rodham Clinton's message Saturday as she ended her presidential bid — a final, full-throated acknowledgment of what her pioneering quest had meant to women.
It was a moving, genuine and unexpected moment for Clinton, who spent most of her campaign playing down her gender as a way to reassure voters who might have trouble imagining a female commander in chief.
Speaking to supporters at the National Building Museum here, Clinton finally seemed to jettison the counsel she'd received over the course of her 17-month campaign to be safe and non-controversial — advice that made her seem steely and dull and robbed her of the magic her barrier-breaking campaign might otherwise have had.
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"Although we weren't able to shatter that highest, hardest glass ceiling this time, thanks to you, it's got about 18 million cracks in it," Clinton said — a reference to the millions of voters who supported her in the primaries.
"The light is shining through like never before, filling us all with the hope and the sure knowledge that the path will be a little easier next time," she said to applause and cheers.

Way to go Mrs Clinton. Being brave enough to bust your head on that ceiling and getting enough support to put cracks in it so that next time it'd be easier.
I'd probably wouldn't have voted for you anyway but your sex wouldn't have been the reason.
So cheers to you (raising my glass) for taking the challenge and showing the way and showing us that the possibilities in this country are still limitless.

Like the old advertisement used to say... "You've come a long way baby!"
:asian:

 

[MBuzzy]

She has an excellent point here, the hardest step is getting that first person through. Then it is much easier.

My only hope in this whole endeavor is that the American Public is mature and responsible enough to vote for someone not based on their sex or race or religion, but on their politics. I think that Mrs. Clinton did well in voicing the fact that she did not want people voting for her based on gender.

 

[kenpofighter]

I don't believe women were meant to run our country. So, what, during her time of the month she'll just try to go blow up the whole world! Bomb the German, bomb the Korean, bomb the Cuban, BOMB THE UNITED STATES! Women in general are WAY to emotional. How would you like to be a man in the U.S. military and have a woman, who has never be in the military, telling you what to do?

 

[Errant108]

I don't believe women were meant to run our country. So, what, during her time of the month she'll just try to go blow up the whole world! Bomb the German, bomb the Korean, bomb the Cuban, BOMB THE UNITED STATES! Women in general are WAY to emotional. How would you like to be a man in the U.S. military and have a woman, who has never be in the military, telling you what to do?

Your response was very emotional and illogical.

Are you sure that you're not a woman?

 

[kenpofighter]

Wouldn't be posting this thread if I wasn't!

 

[Errant108]

Wouldn't be posting this thread if I wasn't!

Shame on you.

 

[MA-Caver]

I don't believe women were meant to run our country. So, what, during her time of the month she'll just try to go blow up the whole world! Bomb the German, bomb the Korean, bomb the Cuban, BOMB THE UNITED STATES! Women in general are WAY to emotional. How would you like to be a man in the U.S. military and have a woman, who has never be in the military, telling you what to do?

I'm gonna hold off on neg repping this until I find out if you meant to be funny or if you were serious.
Either way, funny or not it's inappropriate and sexist at best. I'd thought we (as a society of advanced human beings) are past all that by now. Presumably there are still people out there who'd prefer women to be barefoot and pregnant and remain in the kitchen. They're past due for an upgrade I think.

My OP was intended as praise to the woman who fought to get past those barriers, knowing that even as a woman she can be just as qualified to order troops into battle. Not all our male presidents have had Military training/experience... Truman for example. But then he did drop the first atomic bombs ushering in an era where it'd be easy to wipe out the entire planet of the human species.

 

[Twin Fist]

sense of humor anyone?

 

[Big Don]

There is a lot of bovine feces in this.
Hillary, while being a woman, wasn't trying to improve the lot of anyone but Hillary, and everyone knows this.

 

[Sukerkin]

I agree but sometimes anyones acts can have unintended consequences, for either good or ill. I think that's what Caver was speaking to.

 

[punisher73]

There is a lot of bovine feces in this.
Hillary, while being a woman, wasn't trying to improve the lot of anyone but Hillary, and everyone knows this.

I agree. If she was THAT concerned about women and equalizing things and breaking the glass ceiling why didn't she campaign for that? She tried to portray herself as "one of the guys" all along.

Once again, she is trying to gain credit for work that others have done LONG before her. Here is a list of women who have run for president and vice president in our countries history.

http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/Facts/CanHistory/prescand.pdf

 

[MA-Caver]

I agree. If she was THAT concerned about women and equalizing things and breaking the glass ceiling why didn't she campaign for that? She tried to portray herself as "one of the guys" all along.

Once again, she is trying to gain credit for work that others have done LONG before her. Here is a list of women who have run for president and vice president in our countries history.

http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/Facts/CanHistory/prescand.pdf

Like I said... I probably would have NOT voted for her and most likely because of those reasons (among others) listed above... but not because she is a woman.

Thank you for that list, goes to show that women have been trying for a long time now but little by little the dam is breaking. Attitudes are changing and equality is strengthening.

 

[CuongNhuka]

the hardest step is getting that first person through.

Actually, she's not the first woman to have run for president. She was only the first one to get as far as she did. Barak Obama was not the first Black man to have run for President, he was justthe first to get as far as he did. We have also had homosexuals, Jews, Black women, and various other individuals who don't fit the typical profile of an American President.

 

[MBuzzy]

Actually, she's not the first woman to have run for president. She was only the first one to get as far as she did. Barak Obama was not the first Black man to have run for President, he was justthe first to get as far as he did. We have also had homosexuals, Jews, Black women, and various other individuals who don't fit the typical profile of an American President.

Very true....I was referring to the fact that none of the above minorities have ever BEEN president. Running and making it that far is a step....but actually becoming the president is a much bigger step - it is mostly symbolic. I would say that Clinton and Obama are the most publicized and widely known minority candidates.

 

[MA-Caver]

Actually, she's not the first woman to have run for president. She was only the first one to get as far as she did. Barak Obama was not the first Black man to have run for President, he was just the first to get as far as he did. We have also had homosexuals, Jews, Black women, and various other individuals who don't fit the typical profile of an American President.

So, we're umm... profiling Presidents now? :lol:

Very true on all accounts, and supports what I've been trying to say. Thanks.

 

[kenpofighter]

I'm gonna hold off on neg repping this until I find out if you meant to be funny or if you were serious.
Either way, funny or not it's inappropriate and sexist at best.

This all went WAY farther than I wanted it to go. I was meaning to be more on a funny note though, but I still believe that women were not meant to lead our country. God made men and women different and for different purposes. The men would not be able to have children and to "mother" them the way a woman could. And women in general aren't as physically strong as men; that is why there are men firefighters. They got to be able to carry their own weight and the dead weight of someone else. I believe that men are sopose to be the leaders.

 

[MA-Caver]

This all went WAY farther than I wanted it to go. I was meaning to be more on a funny note though, but I still believe that women were not meant to lead our country. God made men and women different and for different purposes. The men would not be able to have children and to "mother" them the way a woman could. And women in general aren't as physically strong as men; that is why there are men firefighters. They got to be able to carry their own weight and the dead weight of someone else. I believe that men are suppose to be the leaders.

That's fine and thank you for the clarification. It's difficult to read when the words can be misread as sexism. I could see the humor in it... but personally didn't find it funny. :idunno: that's just me.
No neg rep given. :asian:

 

[Errant108]

This all went WAY farther than I wanted it to go. I was meaning to be more on a funny note though, but I still believe that women were not meant to lead our country. God made men and women different and for different purposes. The men would not be able to have children and to "mother" them the way a woman could. And women in general aren't as physically strong as men; that is why there are men firefighters. They got to be able to carry their own weight and the dead weight of someone else. I believe that men are sopose to be the leaders.

Please keep your religion out of my nation's politics please.

Thank you.

 

[Sukerkin]

A bit late for that, Errant. The corruption of politics by religion and vice versa has been an ongoing cycle for centuries.

 

[CuongNhuka]

So, we're umm... profiling Presidents now? :lol:

Very true on all accounts, and supports what I've been trying to say. Thanks.

Yes we are. We have been for a while. Old White Christian (mostly Protestant) Men. Most were rich at birth, all were rich during election. Ohh, all have been officially Straight.

Although, there has been an openly Homosexual Presidential canadite. Granted he was from a third party (Socialist Party USA, I think it was in the 70's)