There are now more prisoners in American prisons than in Stalin's Gulag Archipelago

[ballen0351]

Probably too many.

So you have no idea?

 

[arnisador]

So you have no idea?

I haven't bothered looking. What would be the point?

 

[Big Don]

I haven't bothered looking. What would be the point?

For once, you could actually back up one of your BS assertions

 

[arnisador]

For once, you could actually back up one of your BS assertions

Can you be more specific?

 

[Big Don]

Can you be more specific?

I could. I won't. You know your behavior over the past few months.

 

[ballen0351]

I haven't bothered looking. What would be the point?

Well if your going to comment on the number of poor tokers in prison I figured you would know how many there are. Since I personally have NEVER seen a single person sent to prison for simple possession of marijuana in my entire life. I hear about then all the time when this topic comes up. But nobody ever knows them personally. I've arrested plenty of people for possession and never seen anyone go to prison. I've seen people take pleas from other charges and go to jail for possession but never just a possession charge. I'd like to know who all these people are.

 

[arnisador]

I could. I won't. You know your behavior over the past few months.

In my defense, I had to deal with you.

 

[K-man]

Well if your going to comment on the number of poor tokers in prison I figured you would know how many there are. Since I personally have NEVER seen a single person sent to prison for simple possession of marijuana in my entire life. I hear about then all the time when this topic comes up. But nobody ever knows them personally. I've arrested plenty of people for possession and never seen anyone go to prison. I've seen people take pleas from other charges and go to jail for possession but never just a possession charge. I'd like to know who all these people are.

I think it's probably fair to say very few would go to prison for simple use. The thing is, a lot of people reckon if they can sell some as well as keep some for their own use, it covers their costs so in effect they become dealers. Then they are likely to be jailed. :asian:

 

[ballen0351]

I think it's probably fair to say very few would go to prison for simple use. The thing is, a lot of people reckon if they can sell some as well as keep some for their own use, it covers their costs so in effect they become dealers. Then they are likely to be jailed. :asian:

Yes but any time this topic comes up you have people telling stories of 1st time arrests for small amounts of marijuana going to prison. How unfair that is and how its such a waist of time money and resources. I judt want to know who these unlucky few are since Ive never seen it happen and I spend A LOT of time in court.

 

[Tgace]

Yes but any time this topic comes up you have people telling stories of 1st time arrests for small amounts of marijuana going to prison. How unfair that is and how its such a waist of time money and resources. I judt want to know who these unlucky few are since Ive never seen it happen and I spend A LOT of time in court.

Ive said the same thing so many times on various threads around here that I tire of repeating myself....

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[Tgace]

http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php/19357-The-Legalization-of-Marijuana/page8

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[Tgace]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/dope/interviews/kleiman.html

That's a lot of prisoners, but it's not a very large fraction of the overall prison effort. When people talk about the drug problem generically, whether they're talking about drug abuse or the cost of drug law enforcement, and then immediately switch the topic to marijuana, that's a little deceptive. Nothing we do about marijuana can really put a dent in either the problem of drug abuse or the problem of drug-related law enforcement and imprisonment, because those problems are overwhelmingly about other drugs.

The jump to marijuana and the "poor stoners are filling our jails because of weed possession" meme is a load of crap.....

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[Tgace]

A problem I have with the legalization crowd is the question of why we will all have to pay to pick up the pieces (i.e. social programs for drug rehab, medical expenses, etc.) for those people who are "doing what they want with their bodies" and it lands them in physical trouble (addiction, overdose, criminal activity to fund consumption) ??

Perhaps the solution isnt jail, but there should be some type of penalty when your "freedom" places a burden on the rest of society who isnt taking the drug....

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[Steve]

Sounds like actually using capital punishment would save quite a bit...

Capital punishment actually ends up costing more. Don't recall the exact figures, but iirc, each execution in California cost the state around $350 million bucks.


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[ballen0351]

Capital punishment actually ends up costing more. Don't recall the exact figures, but iirc, each execution in California cost the state around $350 million bucks.


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I always see that same super high figures and I can never figure out where it comes from. I guess it includes Court costs from all the appeals. I would assume life in prison is very high as well if they included court costs and appeals for them as well as other new charges that are added while in prison.

 

[arnisador]

Yes but any time this topic comes up you have people telling stories of 1st time arrests for small amounts of marijuana going to prison. How unfair that is and how its such a waist of time money and resources. I judt want to know who these unlucky few are since Ive never seen it happen and I spend A LOT of time in court.

They're not going to jail the first offense--they're probably taking a plea bargain early on in the process.

 

[arnisador]

A problem I have with the legalization crowd is the question of why we will all have to pay to pick up the pieces (i.e. social programs for drug rehab, medical expenses, etc.) for those people who are "doing what they want with their bodies" and it lands them in physical trouble (addiction, overdose, criminal activity to fund consumption) ??

Perhaps the solution isnt jail, but there should be some type of penalty when your "freedom" places a burden on the rest of society who isnt taking the drug....

Yeah, I support the Obamacare mandate too.

 

[ballen0351]

They're not going to jail the first offense--they're probably taking a plea bargain early on in the process.

So how many offenses do we give someone?

 

[arnisador]

So how many offenses do we give someone?

I was stating a fact, not suggesting a policy. I'm in favor of decriminalization of marijuana.

 

[ballen0351]

I was stating a fact, not suggesting a policy. I'm in favor of decriminalization of marijuana.

And? How many chances should we give someone?