I always knew there was some validity is just punching someone in armor.
The misconception of sparring.
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If you think of armor as light weight metal or non-metal material, then it makes sense. To really highlight it.
Punch bullet proof vest. This was done with boxing gloves and a pillow, lots of buffer room. But he still fills the impact.
This is why one would their hands to be conditioned. But we can see the guy still freaks out about being punched with the vest on. Like he said "His ribs are behind the vest"
Now imagine someone with conditioned hands and a really good ability to drive the power of their punch
My guess is that maces were effective with creating blunt force energy that moved through the armor and into the body.
Give me a piece of this action. Fist that aren't conditioned and an inability drive power looks just like this..
I know some of us including my self would not heave any problem sending impact force through this vest be it open hand or closed hand strikes. Someone who trains horizontal breaking would have an easier time. Punching armor would follow the concept of "not punching at the target but punching deep into the target." The target isn't the armor but what is behind it.
If I punch someone in the chest, then I'm not aiming for the chest. I'm aiming for the organs behind the ribs.
Prince_Alarming
Brown Belt
I have this argument with my brother a lot- he's petrified of taking martial arts up again because he believes that he's going to get parkinsons or whatever. My view is that going to martial arts classes once or twice a week is not going to cause that level of damage, it's like vibration white finger in that regard. He points out in return that there is no safe dose of blows to the head, I acknowledge this, but the way I see it is if you do nothing for long enough you're going to get ill and die anyway. Hmmmmm.
Fungus
Black Belt
We regularly train with the large mitts that cover your whole upper body, then one partner wears it over and the other person strikes and kicks at full power. We this as a cardio excercise and shoulder/punching excercise. Those mitts are WAY thicker than a TKD body armor or those knife wests, and still there you can't just stand like a lame duck then you will fall over, or you'll loose breath from the impacts.
Still with this one has to have a stable stance, and tense up your whole body. But you are spared from the sharp knuckle impacts, but less from the momentum or blunt force if the body is behind. This is why it is a bit of a balance and tensing exercise for the mitts holder as well. I often stand in sanchin like stances when i hold the mits, and i deliberately hold it pressed to my chest so i can feel more impact. And unless you are of similar weight you cant go full force as your opponent will loose balance.
On some of the videos above it looks like the guy is just standing there without much preparation or muscle tension? That is on par with hitting someone in the stomach by surprise when you brush your teeth., then the mitts or body armor will not save you.
Still with this one has to have a stable stance, and tense up your whole body. But you are spared from the sharp knuckle impacts, but less from the momentum or blunt force if the body is behind. This is why it is a bit of a balance and tensing exercise for the mitts holder as well. I often stand in sanchin like stances when i hold the mits, and i deliberately hold it pressed to my chest so i can feel more impact. And unless you are of similar weight you cant go full force as your opponent will loose balance.
On some of the videos above it looks like the guy is just standing there without much preparation or muscle tension? That is on par with hitting someone in the stomach by surprise when you brush your teeth., then the mitts or body armor will not save you.
windwalker099
2nd Black Belt
David Chin, noted hop gar master, coaching his students during
sparring practice prepping for a match
Teacher going through applications with his students
"boxing application" is it ?
Note the difference's in practices
David Chin, used to have people come in who trained in what ever his fighters would encounter when possible.
grapplers, Thai boxers ect.
The same method used in the past.
Yang Chengfu "center" in Guangzhou, "left" Fu Zhongwen, "right "Fu zhensong.
sparring practice prepping for a match
Teacher going through applications with his students
"boxing application" is it ?
Note the difference's in practices
David Chin, used to have people come in who trained in what ever his fighters would encounter when possible.
grapplers, Thai boxers ect.
The same method used in the past.
Yang Chengfu "center" in Guangzhou, "left" Fu Zhongwen, "right "Fu zhensong.
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I’m so enjoying this thread, especially this page. We went through a period of about six months back in the nineties where we sucker punched each other in the chest of a BR vest. And we had top of the line vests.
Still hurt, but we sure laughed a lot.
Still hurt, but we sure laughed a lot.
windwalker099
2nd Black Belt
"Should sparring reflect the style being used?
Is it more important then winning a match ?
The attachment of the style over the person seems to be mainly applied to Chinese styles, with the person often held up as a representative of the style rather than just themselves.
Is it more important then winning a match ?
The attachment of the style over the person seems to be mainly applied to Chinese styles, with the person often held up as a representative of the style rather than just themselves.
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The two goals do not have to be separate. The issue about sparring reflecting the style is simple. When you train boxing you use boxing. You do not kick your opponent. Martial Arts in general is like that. If I train to use Jow Ga in fighting the that should be visible because of my training. If I don't train Jow Ga for fighting then you won't see Jow Ga.
Boxers are recognized for being good in their style all the time. The same thing that you say is only Chinese is done in all combat sports. Mike Tyso got his fame due to his style and his ability to represent is style.
HighKick
Master Black Belt
He is not wrong, but nor are you fully wrong either.
windwalker099
2nd Black Belt
Mike T, a boxer, using a style of boxing developed for him by his coach...
As such anyone could see he was boxing, as he was trained to do.
He represented himself, through boxing. He was a boxer...
lets look at a how a boxing match is promoted
Mike Tyson VS. Jake Paul
compared to a CMA match
Not seeing any names of the practitioners listed.
Emphasis on style, not practitioners.
Not having seen Jow Gar,,,looked at couple of videos of the training...
Is this reflective of the training ?
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Both are doing boxing so there is no need to say "Boxing vs Boxing" Both are representing boxing. Hence the term, "Boxing Match" the skills, styles, and system being used is boxing.
Sanda Matches are called this because both fighters are competing according to Sanda rules and Sanda style.
No. He's training his student for Sanda. The only Jow Ga training I recognize is that shuffle jab drill.
That Jow Ga teacher is integrating Sanda and boxing into the system. He still does Jow Ga training but thst clip wasn't it. One of his students competes in Sanda.
For me, I cannot separate myself from Jow Ga because Jow Ga is the road I travel. Think of it this way. Does the road you travel determine what vehicles can travel on it or does the vehicle determine what road is built?
Jow Ga determines what technique I can use and still be known as Jow Ga Fighting techniques. As great as Tyson was, his style was still boxing as defined by the rules of boxing and what is allowed.
The day that someone events a technique in boxing that causes boxing to adopt that strike will be the day that the individual changed boxing. It has happened before in the early years but it's less likely to happen now.
