are you aware just how many different groups of Jews there are?
Yes, I am, Tez. I've actually written a paper or two on the subject. One was on the crypto-Jews of New Mexico and Mexico-those are descendents of 15th and 16th century Spanish immigrants who converted to Catholicism during the Inquisition, but kept their Judaism hid-now somewhat openly practicing what survives of their heritage.
so why do you treat us as if we are all one big group?
Where have I done that? I'd say, in fact, that only you and CanuckMA have done that.
which group of us is supposed to talk to which other group about chicken waving?
None Tez. No one is "supposed to talk" to another about it. I've posted before that it doesn't bother me. The only one it seems to bother is
you.
I don't think it's something anyone should "do something about." I didn't ever say that "all Jews" do it. I didn't ever say it was bad. I've offered no judgements-in fact, I only used it as an example to support the main theme of my post, and it was one small paragraph in the entire thing that
you've seized upon as a point of contention. Over the course of two pages your combined reactions have ranged from,
No they don't, and you shouldn't say such a thing because the next thing you know, people will say we eat babies, to
Well, those are just nutters-kabbalist posers, really, to
Well, yes, but only a very few.... to,
Well, it's really just a charity program-a way to put chicken on the tables of poor people.
In fact, the only ones who seem to have any judgement about the practice at all are
you two, and mostly that judgement seems to be that I shouldn't have brought it up. It's okay to say the Holy Eucharist has its roots in cannibalism and sacrifice-at least, it seems to be based on the number of outraged Catholics posting here. It's okay to say that
santeros are Catholics, and sacrifice chickens, goats and lambs to pray and entreat the saints, though, admittedly, it's far too easy for most Catholics and other Christians to distance themselves from the practices, and to even say that they are not Christian in any way. No one has argued that, though-they haven't said anything. You, on the other hand, have seized on one small paragraph in a larger theme and chosen to use it as a subject of contention. The only other member of your tribe that I know to have posted here pretty much tried to tell you,
Yeah, they do that, Tez. While I gave the readers digest version, I haven't in any way misrepresented the rite, or passed any judgement against it-in fact, the only things I've had to say were favorable.
Sujects like these are, as evidenced by other posts I've made, more than an idle curiousity. I have a degree in religious studies-it was the first subject I studied in college,more than 30 years ago, now. It's a subject of interest-one that others on this board seem to share from time to time, and I share with them from time to time. It continues to be a "weird hobby" of mine, one of many. While I recognize that such subjects can be charged, and sometimes rattle people's cages, that's never exactly been my intention-I want to have discussions-some just like this one-others maybe not so charged-because my basic beliefs say that as long as it's not hurting a fellow human being,
when people get together and pray, whatever form it takes, it's a good thing. And, if we don't try to know and understand these differences and the roots behind them, they'll only stay "differences" instead of what I believe them to be: different flavors of the same fruit-man's innate urge to express a connection to something greater than himself, and that's something that I will
alwaysbring up and ask questions-I have lots, and lots of questions.
Gets me into trouble, sometimes, always has. :lol:
I'm aware that some of the arguments about kaparos stem from its apparent relationship to Temple worship, and
I have a question that's somewhat related to this thread: there are movements within the Fundamentalist Christian community as well as the Jewish communities to build a third temple in Jerusalem.Should such an event come to pass, do you think it would bring the revival of Temple worship, and animal sacrifice?
as a brother but do give me time to post answers to your questons!
