Taika Oyata Kyusho

Awesome vids! I wish I had the opportunity to even train with some of his students. My one question about all of this is...why haven't we heard more of it when it comes to MMA competitions? One would think that the real ability to use kyusho would be really handly when it comes to NHB matches. Maybe I ask these questions out of sheer ignorance, so please enlighten...
 
upnorthkyosa said:
Awesome vids! I wish I had the opportunity to even train with some of his students. My one question about all of this is...why haven't we heard more of it when it comes to MMA competitions? One would think that the real ability to use kyusho would be really handly when it comes to NHB matches. Maybe I ask these questions out of sheer ignorance, so please enlighten...
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I'll tell you why. Firstly the original UFC's had 'no pressure points' in their rules so I'm assuming that still applies. Secondly, the art Oyata practices isn't sport. It can seriously damage someone and has no place in competition.

Cheers
Sam:asian:
 
Notice how all of the techniques are done against attacks and not stationary people

I'd be scared to shake hands with the man

Cheers
Sam:asian:
 
I did notice that and it makes me feel good about our training because we are doing the same. The other thing that is really REALLY impressive is that this man moves like lightning and people fall as if they are being struck by lightning. IMHO, Oyata is probably the single best example of how Te is supposed to work.

I wonder if anyone who has ever trained with Oyata has competed? I've heard stories from my teacher and I've seen some videos from Japan, but I've never heard of any big names.
 
Thanks for the video clips!
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Easy to answer the competition question. Oyata Taika was actually a competitor in whats know as bogu kumite: full contact karate sparring. It has the same gear Kendo does and has the same brutality of Kendo. It is by point, however the points are based on whether or not the oppenant is clearly rocked by the technique executed. Oyata was the champion of the this back in the day, and helped create champions. Its not a type of sparring karateka have here over in america anymore, which is sad. He didn't teach Kyusho to be used in Bogu because of the presisness of the techniques and the protective gear being used, although people have been knocked out by it.

As for the moving lightning fast..lets just say its not about the speed..its more about he was hitting the right place at the right time.
 
truth_seeker87 said:
Easy to answer the competition question. Oyata Taika was actually a competitor in whats know as bogu kumite: full contact karate sparring. It has the same gear Kendo does and has the same brutality of Kendo. It is by point, however the points are based on whether or not the oppenant is clearly rocked by the technique executed. Oyata was the champion of the this back in the day, and helped create champions. Its not a type of sparring karateka have here over in america anymore, which is sad. He didn't teach Kyusho to be used in Bogu because of the presisness of the techniques and the protective gear being used, although people have been knocked out by it.

As for the moving lightning fast..lets just say its not about the speed..its more about he was hitting the right place at the right time.
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You may be right about the speed and accuracy point, but I know you are right about the bogu kumite. I've had a few opportunities to try that and THAT was really a wake-up call for me and my training.
 
thetruth said:
I'll tell you why. Firstly the original UFC's had 'no pressure points' in their rules so I'm assuming that still applies. Secondly, the art Oyata practices isn't sport. It can seriously damage someone and has no place in competition.

Cheers
Sam:asian:
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Hi

There has never been a no pressure point rule in UFC

This was put about by one of the american kyusho guys to explain why PP's werent used in NHB contests like UFC

You can look this up on the UFC site they used to have all the rules on there

tc

T
 
Hi again

Here they are.

Why do people lie about Pressure Points?


Fouls: [Top]
1. Butting with the head.
2. Eye gouging of any kind.
3. Biting.
4. Hair pulling.
5. Fish hooking.
6. Groin attacks of any kind.
7. Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent.
8. Small joint manipulation.
9. Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
11. Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
12. Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
13. Grabbing the clavicle.
14. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
15. Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
16. Stomping a grounded opponent.
17. Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
18. Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.
19. Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
20. Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
21. Spitting at an opponent.
22. Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
23. Holding the ropes or the fence.
24. Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
25. Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
26. Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
27. Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
28. Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
29. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
30. Interference by the corner.
31. Throwing in the towel during competition.

tc

T
 
theodore said:
Hi

There has never been a no pressure point rule in UFC

This was put about by one of the american kyusho guys to explain why PP's werent used in NHB contests like UFC

You can look this up on the UFC site they used to have all the rules on there

tc

T
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I can tell you that on y ufc 2 video there is 'no pressure points' in the rules.

What do you mean when you say 'Why do people lie about pressure points?'?

Cheers
Sam:asian:
 
thetruth said:
I can tell you that on y ufc 2 video there is 'no pressure points' in the rules.

What do you mean when you say 'Why do people lie about pressure points?'?

Cheers
Sam:asian:
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Here are the UFC rules:
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=LearnUFC.Rules

The closest thing to a no pressure point rule is this under the Fouls section:
12. Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.

But, nothing really about pressure points in the rules.
 
One example:


UFC 15

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Jump to: navigation, search
UFC 15: Collision CourseDetailsPromotionUltimate Fighting ChampionshipDateOctober 17, 1997VenueCasino Magic Bay St. LouisCityBay St. Louis, MississippiEvent chronologyUFC 14: ShowdownUFC 15: Collision CourseUFC Japan: Ultimate Japan 1UFC 15: Collision Course was a mixed martial arts event held by the Ultimate Fighting Championship on October 17, 1997, in Bay St. Louis, Mississippi. The event was seen live on pay per view in the United States, and later released on home video. UFC 15 was headlined by a Heavyweight Championship Bout between Maurice Smith and Tank Abbott, and also featured a Superfight between Randy Couture and Vitor Belfort, a Heavyweight Tournament, and two alternate bouts. UFC 15 also marked the last event to feature Bruce Beck, who had been the main play-by-play announcer starting with UFC 4.
Collision Course marked a major change in the UFC's rules, with limitations set on permissible striking areas. Headbutts, groin strikes, strikes to the back of the neck & head, kicks to a downed opponent, small joint manipulation, pressure point strikes, and hair pulling all became officially illegal.

[edit] Results


[edit] Heavyweight Tournament


[edit] Alternate Bout: Dwane Cason vs. Houston Dorr

Cason wins by TKO (referee stoppage due to strikes) at 3:43 of round 1.

[edit] Alternate Bout: Alex Hunter vs. Harry Moskowitz

Hunter wins a split decision at 12:00 of round 1.

[edit] Heavyweight Semifinal Bout: Mark Kerr vs. Greg "Ranger" Stott

Kerr wins by KO (knee) at 0:19 of round 1.

[edit] Heavyweight Semifinal Bout: Dave Beneteau vs. Carlos Barreto

Beneteau wins by unanimous decision at 15:00 of round 1. Due to fatigue, Beneteau was unable to continue in the tournament.

[edit] Heavyweight Finals: Mark Kerr vs. Dwane Cason

Kerr wins the UFC 15 Heavyweight Tournament by submission (rear naked choke) at 0:54 of round 1. Cason replaced Dave Beneteau who could not continue due to fatigue.
SemifinalsFinal Mark Kerr Greg Stott Mark Kerr Dwane Cason Carlos Barreto Dave Beneteau
 
RBaddorf said:
One example:


UFC 15

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Jump to: navigation, search
UFC 15: Collision CourseDetailsPromotionUltimate Fighting ChampionshipDateOctober 17, 1997VenueCasino Magic Bay St. LouisCityBay St. Louis, MississippiEvent chronologyUFC 14: ShowdownUFC 15: Collision CourseUFC Japan: Ultimate Japan 1UFC 15: Collision Course was a mixed martial arts event held by the Ultimate Fighting Championship on October 17, 1997, in Bay St. Louis, Mississippi. The event was seen live on pay per view in the United States, and later released on home video. UFC 15 was headlined by a Heavyweight Championship Bout between Maurice Smith and Tank Abbott, and also featured a Superfight between Randy Couture and Vitor Belfort, a Heavyweight Tournament, and two alternate bouts. UFC 15 also marked the last event to feature Bruce Beck, who had been the main play-by-play announcer starting with UFC 4.
Collision Course marked a major change in the UFC's rules, with limitations set on permissible striking areas. Headbutts, groin strikes, strikes to the back of the neck & head, kicks to a downed opponent, small joint manipulation, pressure point strikes, and hair pulling all became officially illegal.

[edit] Results


[edit] Heavyweight Tournament


[edit] Alternate Bout: Dwane Cason vs. Houston Dorr

Cason wins by TKO (referee stoppage due to strikes) at 3:43 of round 1.

[edit] Alternate Bout: Alex Hunter vs. Harry Moskowitz

Hunter wins a split decision at 12:00 of round 1.

[edit] Heavyweight Semifinal Bout: Mark Kerr vs. Greg "Ranger" Stott

Kerr wins by KO (knee) at 0:19 of round 1.

[edit] Heavyweight Semifinal Bout: Dave Beneteau vs. Carlos Barreto

Beneteau wins by unanimous decision at 15:00 of round 1. Due to fatigue, Beneteau was unable to continue in the tournament.

[edit] Heavyweight Finals: Mark Kerr vs. Dwane Cason

Kerr wins the UFC 15 Heavyweight Tournament by submission (rear naked choke) at 0:54 of round 1. Cason replaced Dave Beneteau who could not continue due to fatigue.
SemifinalsFinal Mark Kerr Greg Stott Mark Kerr Dwane Cason Carlos Barreto Dave Beneteau
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I'll have to go back to my vid but at least this shows that they are illegal.

Cheers
Sam
 
Hi

Read the official rules again

or go to the official site

They have never been part of the rules

why wouldnt they allow you to press Lv9 or TW17 do you really think it's cos theyre too deadly? :)

tc

T

Always aim for the truth
 
well, theodore, your internet skillz are awesome. you have successfully regurgitated the correct videos.

have you ever trained with someone who studied this stuff?

Or do you just form your opinions based on stuff you've read on the internet?
 
theodore said:
Hi

Read the official rules again

or go to the official site

They have never been part of the rules

why wouldnt they allow you to press Lv9 or TW17 do you really think it's cos theyre too deadly? :)

tc

T

Always aim for the truth
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The UFC site only describes what the rules are NOW, I didn't see a section that listed the rules for each UFC... so how can you say "they have never been part of the rules" by looking at that???

but there is no substantiation for wiki's statement:
"Collision Course marked a major change in the UFC's rules, with limitations set on permissible striking areas. Headbutts, groin strikes, strikes to the back of the neck & head, kicks to a downed opponent, small joint manipulation, pressure point strikes, and hair pulling all became officially illegal."

But the idea of making "pressure point strikes" illegal is silly... there are pressure points all over the body. Can you see the big John calling a foul because a guy gets hits on the Liver meridian??? ridiculous.

I think maybe this is referring to the gouging and twisting rule?
 
I am going to try and get this back on track, Mr. Oyata is a great martial artist in that he is one of the first to bring pressure points to the states, I am hoping to be able to go to one of his seminars next year​
 
I would like to attend one of his seminars as well. Do you know if he posts a schedule of upcoming events?
 
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