Taijutsu complements

[Bigshadow]

No martial art can be complete

Why not? Please explain.

 

[Brother John]

I have'nt studied BBT since I was a kid but since I haven't drank the special kool aid I can actually answer the question.

Kali will give you more realistic weapons work. Many people carry a pocket knife and you might find a stick on the street, but when are you going to be attacked while your carrying your sword
Silat has more realistic grappling than BJJ in my opinion and it is also a knife art. The ability to grapple with a knife could be a very useful skill.
I have only seen a small amount of Lua but I like what I saw. Really good for extreme close quarters combat.
The most important thing about these three arts is that they have very natural flowing footwork and the skills fit right in with BBT. It wouldn't be like trying to learn Aikido if you were coming from a Shotokan background.

I like the arts you mentioned there Bill, Good stuff!!
But are you saying that Bujinkan Budotaijutsu DOESN'T have stick & knife work? That a well rounded BBT practitioner COULDN'T grapple with a knife? (as in use a knife while grappling) Or DOESN'T have good solid 'ground work'? Are you saying that BBT DOESN'T have excellent close quarters combat?
I think you see what I'm saying. The fact that these other arts do these things well does Not then mean that they are things "lacking" in Budo Taijutsu.

Besides, sword work is just fun.


Your Brother
John
PS: I'm not in Ninjutsu, Bujinkan or otherwise.
I don't even like Kool Aid.

 

[Bigshadow]

The only problem i've had with Taijutsu, is how The curriclum is so all over the place, every one does things different, and its hard to get a question answered.

I keep seeing curriculum alot. As far as I know, Hatsumi Soke does not have a curriculum per sey. It is my opinion that people worry so much over the techniques that they miss the principles which the kata and techniques embody. To me a curriculum is a way to codify the art and somehow I feel that something is getting lost in the translation.

Yes, it is important to know techniques, but there are levels beyond technique and we should try and see that. Let me be clear, I don't see a whole lot, but I strive to see and feel more every time I train.

Going with that thought, I feel that if we get caught up in technique collecting we will never see the universal application of the principles involved and feel that we must find other techniques to fill "perceived" gaps.

Folks, this is just my honest opinion.

 

[Bigshadow]

I have'nt studied BBT since I was a kid but since I haven't drank the special kool aid I can actually answer the question.

Oh, so you mastered the art of BBT when you were a child?

Kali will give you more realistic weapons work. Many people carry a pocket knife and you might find a stick on the street, but when are you going to be attacked while your carrying your sword.

I have to disagree with your assessment of our training. First and foremost, you have completely misunderstood the purpose of training with a sword or weapons in general and long weapons more specifically with regard to our art. We train with swords, not because we plan to use them or defend against them. There are lessons to be learned by using a sword or defending against a sword that is applicable to a knife, a fist, or a baseball bat. I will leave it at that.

 

[Bigshadow]

When Do I get the kool aid?

Good point. I was trying to ignore that part, it was childish and a bit disdainful.

 

[Wild Bill]

In your opinion, which martial art complements it the best? I mean, which one covers a lot of the areas where Taijutsu is lacking (e.g. groundfighting and confined spaces and super-close-range), but doesn't cover a lot of things Taijutsu does?

So far I believe I am the only one who has answered this question. Every other post was dedicated to telling Pelnupti that his instructor wasn't good enough and that Pelnupti didn't know enough to know what he was talking about. Some were respectful, some sounded condescendin. That's why I made the kool aid comment. I really wasn't trying to offend anyone but apparently I struck a nerve.

I don't know Pelnupti but I am assuming that he is an individual who can make logical decisions based on his experiance. I also have that ability. I don't need to be an expert in BBT to make some suggestions on complimentory arts based on my personal experiance.

Unfortunatly by making this post I am also guilty of taking the thread off of the original subject. Anyone who has questions about my experiance and thoughts on BBT is welcome to send me a message but this will be my last post on this thread unless someone else has something to say about arts that compliment BBT. I am not getting into an internet peeing contest. At least not on this thread. If someone started a thread on why they think I'm a jerk then I might respond if I have time

 

[Bigshadow]

I don't think there is an answer to your question. I do not believe there is a compliment.

However, if you question had been "Is there another martial art I can take that won't have a negative impact on my Taijutsu?" I would say certainly, there are some.

I think Systema and possibly Silat could be practiced without adversly affecting your Taijutsu.

However, my question would be why? To spend time training in another art takes away from the time that could be spent training and getting good in BBT.

 

[MisterMike]

When someone is looking for techniques for a certain situation, like ground fighting, I'd say that they are only looking at the art on a technique level, rather than a principle level.

If the art has solid principles, then they should be applied to all situations. We cannot sit back and wait to be shown every technique - else we'll still be at a very fundamental level when we are all 65. If you pick up the principles, there will be fewer of them compared to techniques, and they'll stick with you.

Just my short blurb - hope it helps.

 

[Don Roley]

Why not? Please explain.

I think it is because no person can master every last aspect of a field such as martial arts to an extent that they can out do those that specialize in particular areas.

Take a look at something like medicine. There are general practicioners. But they are not the ones that would be doing corrective surgery on your eyes. And the ones that did that would not be the ones that would be dealing with a patient with cancer.

To bring it back to martial arts, both police and military folks tend to use the term "combatives" when talking about their unarmed stuff. But as a soldier I learned to sneak up on a sentry and snap his neck as part of our combatives class. Can you imagine a police officer doing that?

I do not think that any one person can be as good as the Gracies at ground fighting, as good as the Katori Shinto ryu in the use of the sword, as good as some of the Philipino masters in the use of the short stick, etc. And a style is limited to what a single person can learn in his lifetime.

The Bujinkan does a lot of things well. But none of them as well as those that specialize in those aspects.

 

[Bigshadow]

I do not think that any one person can be as good as the Gracies at ground fighting, as good as the Katori Shinto ryu in the use of the sword, as good as some of the Philipino masters in the use of the short stick, etc. And a style is limited to what a single person can learn in his lifetime.

The Bujinkan does a lot of things well. But none of them as well as those that specialize in those aspects.

Don,

I don't disagree with that. However, a person could spend a lifetime trying to be better than any person of any specialty, when in a martial sense there are universal principles (not unique to our art) that apply to the human body and human combat. By learning these things, we can become good at many things. Could we beat the Gracies on their turf, probably not in this lifetime. However, can the Gracies handle multiple attackers in a street situation with their ground fighting skills? Do we train to handle multiple attackers? Yes. On the ground? Yes.

When people talk about these specialties and people like the Gracies, I cannot help to equate that to a person who is better than everyone else at Omote Gyaku, but that is all they are specialists at, everything else is left to suffer.

Outside of the ring, if the Gracies were truely fighting for their lives with unknown number of attackers, how effective do you think they would be?

What they do is designed for the ring and in my opinion is not suited to true survival.

For instance, why would I want to tie myself up with someone on the ground just so his buddy can stab me in the back? It doesn't make sense in the real world.

In summary, what I am saying is we can spend forever trying to learn all these specialties and never getting all of them, or we can learn the universal principles of combat and let that guide us as a situation unfolds.

What happens to the sword master when he loses his sword?

Just my thoughts and opinions guys. I am learning like everyone else here.

Train safe,
David