Systems teaching the gun...

[Hudson69]

For systems that incorporate handguns and not just disarms do you teach draws, fundamentals of marksmanship, combat shooting and most of all do you teach transitioning from armed to holstered?

There are potentially times when someone who has a firearm to feel the need to draw it and potentially use it but what happens when a potential situation de-escalates to less-lethal (one on one and your opponent has no weapons is what comes to mind).

I know this is kind of a really extenuated circumstance but as an LEO I have run into it but it has always been on duty, in uniform and with ready access to a good (open carry) holster. As a Criminal Investigator things might be different and am looking to see what if any actions other systems teach.

This might be in the wrong area but I didn't want it in the LE section or the range section since this is a not about shooting and almost anyone in the US can get a CCW.

 

[Wild Bill]

I know that the gun and various types of draws are a big part of what Hock Hochheim does. I haven't seen most of the material but I liked what I did see. Maybe check out his forum. He personally replys to questions quit often.

http://hockscombatforum.com/index.php

http://www.hockscqc.com/

 

[David43515]

I know that the gun and various types of draws are a big part of what Hock Hochheim does. I haven't seen most of the material but I liked what I did see. Maybe check out his forum. He personally replys to questions quit often.

http://hockscombatforum.com/index.php

http://www.hockscqc.com/

Sounds like good advice. I`d say the same about Gabe Suarez`s Warrior Talk forum. http://www.warriortalk.com/

He does alot of both firearms orietned stuff as well as empty handed and transitioning from one to the other. Speaking just for myeslf, if I felt a justifiable need to draw it I think it`d stay drawn until either the threat or I had left the area.

 

[Hudson69]

Sounds like good advice. I`d say the same about Gabe Suarez`s Warrior Talk forum. http://www.warriortalk.com/

He does alot of both firearms orietned stuff as well as empty handed and transitioning from one to the other. Speaking just for myeslf, if I felt a justifiable need to draw it I think it`d stay drawn until either the threat or I had left the area.

I will check out both; and normally I would do the same, keeping my gun drawn, but I am talking about the time when you are still faced with a threat but your "deadly force" option would not stand up in court when a person comes at you unarmed and there isn't a size/age disparity to justify using deadly force as the situation changes. I know it is a long shot but I carry a gun on and off duty and being able to quickly transition between levels of force application can be a life (court) saver.

 

[jks9199]

Transitioning is an essential skill for LEOs, whether uniformed or plainclothes -- and useful skill for civilians, too. In a plainclothes assignment, you need to be able to access your sidearm quickly, and you need to be able to holster easily too. This comes from a combination of holster choice and planning in clothing. But your role is different; if you EXPECT trouble, you probably should have a uniformed officer with you or be geared up appropriately because you almost certainly won't have all of your force options otherwise.

I personally haven't seen a lot of systems that realistically include firearms, beyond token disarms that often lie heavily in the land of fantasy. (I still see people claiming that a semi-auto cannot fire if the slide is out of battery, for example. Depends entirely on the gun... Sigs won't; Glocks may.)