SPLIT: Training/Methods of Striking

[Brian R. VanCise]

Don,

How true, in the real world people flail away and generally throw those big
bolo type punches. However, those sucker punches that come out of
nowhere, those are the dangerous ones. My experience (primarily work
related) is that generally when a conflict occurs someone decides to
jack the other guy without him knowing about it! The "nighty night
bunny rabbit" fits that perfectly. Generally a predatory type person is
not going to let you know that they are going to beat you down. Instead
they are going to try and get the jump on you and drop you before you
can resist them. The key is to pick up those signs verbal and non verbal
that clue you into their thinking process before they attack. Clearly
after seeing many altercations most Americans (untrained) throw a
right cross variant in a circular manner followed by a left hook or vise versa! Big Bolo
punches like these are dangerous when they connect but are pretty easy
to move out of the way of if you train against them. Though in the end the
bottom line is not to get hit by controlling the distance and not being
taken by surprise!

Brian R. VanCise

 

[Bigshadow]

I think that answer would be a left foot forward, right hand punch. That covers it pretty well. Some people would call this a boxer style punch, even though 99 percent of North America would use it even if they never studied boxing.

Most of the new (untrained) people who show up at our dojo punch like that when asked to punch. It seems to me that for someone to hit like that they need to initially be within arms reach for the punch to make contact. When a situation arises, I would want to be just on the edge of their reach. In the dojo when someone punched like that I really didn't feel threatened at all because it always stopped right in front of me (ran out of steam).

It has been my experience that if you know what to look for before blows start and have done even just a little training against a NNBR sucker punch,

Don, what is NNBR?

 

[Don Roley]

Don, what is NNBR?

Nighty- Night, Bunny Rabbit. :whip:

 

[arnisador]

A wide hook/overhand, either foot forward, is the most common thing I see...but yes, a sucker punch will be the initial blow unless you're being challenged to a duel, and if it lands, you've got trouble. The fight is on before you even know it most often.

 

[Cryozombie]

Ok... yeah.

Lemme clarify, sorry...

You guys are absolutly right... and when I said "Boxer Style" thats exactly what I meant... I misused the term "Boxer" to refer to exactly those kinds of attacks... the wide, flailing, arms flying punches and also a quick hit followed up by a second/third more commited hit. a lot of the "hard" training against that ive seen in our shcool is done with the uke wearing Boxing gloves since he is pretty much going all out and throwing that wild stuff... I put that together as "Boxing"

My bad.

 

[swiftpete]

Most of the new (untrained) people who show up at our dojo punch like that when asked to punch. It seems to me that for someone to hit like that they need to initially be within arms reach for the punch to make contact. When a situation arises, I would want to be just on the edge of their reach. In the dojo when someone punched like that I really didn't feel threatened at all because it always stopped right in front of me (ran out of steam).

That sort of attack is really annoying as its not going to threaten you anyway and its not really worth defending against. Most people that we've had through as beginners do that. One lad kept doing it and when i tried to tell him that the punch wouldn't do any damage and he had to try and hit me, he started trying to surprise me with little quick slappy tappy type hits that had no power and would've been pointless had they been for real anyway. He was quite irritating as he never really understood what i was on about but he didnt last anyway.

But swinging streetstyle punches and hard 1-2 types are the sort that we generally have when doing punch techs. Like was said earlier and my class is the same here, we're training against donkey type chumps who just want to hurt you, rather than people doing textbook bujinkan style punching.