Sho Ten No Jutsu

[ninhito]

Thanks

 

[zujitsu]

He's a parkour vid i made a while ago i got 3 more of me and a bunch of others so if anyone is interested i could send you some just e-mail me.

here is the link

http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3PJF3QOO36N0Q1YLY5VS8O1NKS

 

[Mr.Franco]

anyway i'm only stating that if you have something to say... say it. if you don't want to don't. but you shouldn't mention that you know something, start elaborating, and then say... well nothing.

I think George was doing the "responsible" thing. He gave some info. which someone asked about and basically said if you want to learn this, it's not just running up planks, look for an instructor who can elaborate on the subject so you won't injure yourself.

And to not want to give "Kuden" on a public forum (where anyone can mis-use the info) is very responsible. To do so would be a slap in the face to his instructor and his peers who worked hard to receive the info.

Giving it away freely is not cool!

 

[Peter Steeves]

Heck, I can't resist:

If you write it down.... then does it cease to be "Ku Den" ? So maybe there's nothing to worry about!

Not to get too far off track, but someone I consider a very accomplished martial artist once said, "When I've mastered and gotten bored with all of the written material, then I'll worry about whatever is too important to write down."

Forums are just too much fun sometimes.artyon:

 

[Gina]

I fully understand that Shoten No Jutsu is part of Ninjutsu and something I have practiced in the past,

I do not tend to show this type of stuff anymore unless I really know and trust the person I am with i.e. trained and known them for many years. My reasons for this are because:

a) We do not know who comes in our dojo. That new beginner could be a burglar. We have to ask ourselves if what we are teaching benefits our community.
b) Shoten is probably not needed as much today as in the past, unless you are a police officer or some such thing. Maybe better off spending more time practicing rolling.
c) As a martial arts instructor with full public liability cover, I would be just a little worried in case one of my students got hurt. I can just imagine some guy sueing me, and my insurers hearing that my student broke his arm because I had him running up walls.

My insurance is for martial arts and I feel that Insurers don't expect us to run up walls and do some of the other things we do in ninjutsu as part of training. I would be interested in what other instructors feel about this.

Gary Arthur
(Quest Uk, Northants Quest Centre)

 

[DuckofDeath]

I think that was set in place for people saying that they could prove something, but will not.

sojobow!

 

[silatman]

Im not trying to be smart but are you guys seriously training to run up walls.
I cant see the relevance of training to be a ninja in 2005.
Maybe just maybe if you are doing a completely traditional style it should be touched on. Where are the true applications for the general MA. Is it just for demenstrations.

 

[Don Roley]

Im not trying to be smart but are you guys seriously training to run up walls.
I cant see the relevance of training to be a ninja in 2005.
Maybe just maybe if you are doing a completely traditional style it should be touched on. Where are the true applications for the general MA. Is it just for demenstrations.

Well, if you define MA (martial arts) as beating someone up, there really is no relevance.

But if you think of it as self defense then you have to think that the idea of getting home in one peice is the objective. And running away can be a very, very good means to that end.

I would reccomend you read the book "Street E&E" by Marc "Animal" MacYoung to try to see where I am coming from. It is all about running away from people or people's trying to send you to meet you ancestors a little earlier than expected. One of the sections deals with something pretty close to shoten no jutsu.

If you are trying to get away from an attacker, or attackers, then what the heck do you do when faced with a wall? For the ninjutsu practicioner, the answer is shoten no jutsu. It does not help in a sparring situation, but can help you on the street to survive.

 

[silatman]

Well, if you define MA (martial arts) as beating someone up, there really is no relevance.

But if you think of it as self defense then you have to think that the idea of getting home in one peice is the objective. And running away can be a very, very good means to that end.

I would reccomend you read the book "Street E&E" by Marc "Animal" MacYoung to try to see where I am coming from. It is all about running away from people or people's trying to send you to meet you ancestors a little earlier than expected. One of the sections deals with something pretty close to shoten no jutsu.

If you are trying to get away from an attacker, or attackers, then what the heck do you do when faced with a wall? For the ninjutsu practicioner, the answer is shoten no jutsu. It does not help in a sparring situation, but can help you on the street to survive.

I have lived in the same town my entire life and wouldnt think about running to somewhere that has walls that would box me in, so I've never even considered the possibility that I would need the abillity of climbing a 10ft+ wall.
Maybe I should.
:asian:

 

[Teppan]

I'm a beginner at ninjutsu and the martial arts. But i've been training on my own from books and videos for some years now. There were no budo taijutsu instructors where i live. Yes i have practiced sho ten no jutsu "climbing to the heavens" tactics. There's this experience that i have with this technique. I was walking down the street going to a near by bakery when i sudenly saw three big dogs charging towards me. It took a couple of seconds for them to reach me. I remember going up a wall and then a tree. I don't remember what had happened. But the people who saw the incident said that they saw me running up the wall then the tree. I' don't remember doing that. I guess it's part of our instincts. And some training. The dog's are called rott weilers or something like that. I guess that when you see something like that you'll run up anything. But if you have no training you will probably frezze, fall down and eventually be shreded to pieces by some wild animal. Ninjutsu it's great. I'm now learning the san chin no kata. I hope i learn much from all the great people here at martial talk.