Maybe I did not make myself clear. I know the octagon is a sport with rules that we did not train for, I meant if they were to mix it up on the street with an mma fighter, I seriously dought it would last long enough to get to the ground. I agree they were (are) the best and I have the greatest RESPECT for all of them. As far as the "old" comment. This was meant with no disrespect! Most of us are just getting older with families and jobs and can't afford to bang it up at that level the way we used to. You didn't care that your forearms were black with briuses or a nuckle or toe was broke after class, it meant you had a good class. If the time of ACK was still here then would'nt we still have some schools? This is said with no disrespect intended. I still train a little, but get hurt alot easier and take longer to heal! As far as Tai-Zen, again, I respect all the instructors and the system. The wrong path means it did adapt to society and became more commercial then the way it was. Who Knows maybe thats the reason it is still around. Although oppisite in many ways I feel they are the two best systems created to survive a REAL situation. And again I respect any body who has trained either of these systems for any legth of time.
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