Racism and the Republican Party-as if!

[Josh]

Yes. I believe..That implies it's my opinion. I can offer no facts. It's strictly my opinion based on the people I've talked to and heard on right wing talk radio stations. I think, on the other hand to deny a xenophobic element to the border issue..whatsoever is ignorant.

 

[Big Don]

As far as the border fence is concerned: Criminal is NOT a race!

 

[5-0 Kenpo]

Yes. I believe..That implies it's my opinion. I can offer no facts. It's strictly my opinion based on the people I've talked to and heard on right wing talk radio stations. I think, on the other hand to deny a xenophobic element to the border issue..whatsoever is ignorant.

You are absolutely right. Just as I can believe that the anti-school voucher movement on the left is an attempt to keep those minorities in inner-city, poor (both in money and academic achievement) is a way to keep them uneducated.

Here is the difference though. I can show how doing nothing merely then throwing additional cash at a problem is still continuint to allow failing schools to continue to fail. Can you show some sort of correlation regarding racism and the border fence?

I won't deny that there are some racist who agree with the border fence. However, the point of the thread is to show how one particular party is more or less racist then the other. The question I asked as it relates to this discussion was what concrete facts can one give to show a particular leaning towards racism in the Republican party. So far, IMO, none has been shown.

 

[Josh]

You are absolutely right. Just as I can believe that the anti-school voucher movement on the left is an attempt to keep those minorities in inner-city, poor (both in money and academic achievement) is a way to keep them uneducated.

Here is the difference though. I can show how doing nothing merely then throwing additional cash at a problem is still continuint to allow failing schools to continue to fail. Can you show some sort of correlation regarding racism and the border fence?

I won't deny that there are some racist who agree with the border fence. However, the point of the thread is to show how one particular party is more or less racist then the other. The question I asked as it relates to this discussion was what concrete facts can one give to show a particular leaning towards racism in the Republican party. So far, IMO, none has been shown.

http://www.anotherperspective.org/advoc268.html

"
Consider these quotes and facts:
When being interviewed by a Bozeman Chronicle editor, Senator Conrad Burns (Rep - Montana) related a tale about when an old rancher asked Burns how he could live in Washington with so many African-Americans. Burn's reply to that rancher, according to his own story? It's a "hell of a challenge", he replied. In a later incident, while speaking to the Montana Equipment Dealers Association, he decried the dependence of America on Mideast oil. Referring to the Arabs as "ragheads", he later apologized by stating that he got too "emotionally involved" in the issue. Perhaps, as is the case with most folks, it's when you're too "emotionally involved" that your true biases emerge. (1)


Another Republican, this time the Mayor of Trenton, North Carolina, offered this bit of wisdom on the work ethic of blacks, "They're not leaders. A black man would rather work for a white man". Ah, yes! That would explain why the slaves fought on the side on the Confederacy and why they demanded not to be freed! They were afraid of being forced to go against their nature and become leaders. Gosh, I would have never known that. Thanks, Mayor. That clears up so much.(2)"






To be fair these comments don't indicate a "Republican Racism" so much as a personal racism.





ALSO


Race. Since 1964, the GOP has been weakly represented among African Americans, winning under 15% of the black vote in recent national elections (1980 to 2004).......<<<

Under 15%? really? Just something to consider.


I don't think the party has a stated racist agenda. That being said
I think it just appears that way because of their programs which appear to (which may or may not ACTUALLY be) keep the inner city (in some cases African Americans) down. I think a lot of it may be in their POLICY and not their actual agenda. They've seen the effects of Reganomics and thus.....
perception becomes reality.

 

[5-0 Kenpo]

http://www.anotherperspective.org/advoc268.html

"
Consider these quotes and facts:
When being interviewed by a Bozeman Chronicle editor, Senator Conrad Burns (Rep - Montana) related a tale about when an old rancher asked Burns how he could live in Washington with so many African-Americans. Burn's reply to that rancher, according to his own story? It's a "hell of a challenge", he replied. In a later incident, while speaking to the Montana Equipment Dealers Association, he decried the dependence of America on Mideast oil. Referring to the Arabs as "ragheads", he later apologized by stating that he got too "emotionally involved" in the issue. Perhaps, as is the case with most folks, it's when you're too "emotionally involved" that your true biases emerge. (1)


Another Republican, this time the Mayor of Trenton, North Carolina, offered this bit of wisdom on the work ethic of blacks, "They're not leaders. A black man would rather work for a white man". Ah, yes! That would explain why the slaves fought on the side on the Confederacy and why they demanded not to be freed! They were afraid of being forced to go against their nature and become leaders. Gosh, I would have never known that. Thanks, Mayor. That clears up so much.(2)"






To be fair these comments don't indicate a "Republican Racism" so much as a personal racism.

I am glad you said this part, because I was going to blast a few Democrat candidates racist comments. Based on this statement, I don't feel that's necessary.

ALSO


Race. Since 1964, the GOP has been weakly represented among African Americans, winning under 15% of the black vote in recent national elections (1980 to 2004).......<<<

Under 15%? really? Just something to consider.


I don't think the party has a stated racist agenda. That being said
I think it just appears that way because of their programs which appear to (which may or may not ACTUALLY be) keep the inner city (in some cases African Americans) down. I think a lot of it may be in their POLICY and not their actual agenda. They've seen the effects of Reganomics and thus.....
perception becomes reality.

Now see, this is the crux of what I was referring to. What about the Republican party policies caused, what I believe to be the perception, that the party was racist. It is as though one day, everyone woke up and said, "hey, despite the past 150 years, I think the Republicans are the party of racists."

You use Reganomics to show your point, but the effects of that happened long after Black shift to the Democratic party. What caused this shift in the first place is what I really want to know.

But then one must ask why these policies seem racist. One could look at a singular issue, such as Reganomics, but do you think people really pick one thing and form an opinion that they must be racist, especially when no racial motivation was espoused?

And just as an aside, African-Americans are people who were born in Africa. Slave decendants who were born and raised in American are Black Americans.

 

[Twin Fist]

To me this is a simple issue. Neither party is OVERTLY racist.

BUT

Lets take two statements:

"You can cant do it alone, you need help"

or

"You dont need any help, effort produces results"


Now imagine they are said to a black person. Which is more racist?

 

[5-0 Kenpo]

To me this is a simple issue. Neither party is OVERTLY racist.

BUT

Lets take two statements:

"You can cant do it alone, you need help"

or

"You dont need any help, effort produces results"


Now imagine they are said to a black person. Which is more racist?

Although I understand what you are saying, I think a better example in this discussion would be:

You cant do it without governmental help because everyone is against you because of *put reason here*.

or

You can do anything you want to as long as you work hard and use every resource at your disposal.