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With all due respect, allow people to be insulted or not for themselves. Answer questions, or not for yourself.
I answered as I felt appropriate, for myself. You on the other hand answered for someone else, and injected your own personal emotion and interpretations to someone else's questions. It might have been better served if you had waited to see how that person responded, and if you agreed, lend support rather then becoming an unsolicited mouthpiece for a non-existent problem.
@ Carol and MattJ - Thanks for the replies
@ the rest of you. I know what eventually will be the fall of my kenpo career: the way everyone talks ********, instead of staying on the topic. Im a serious martial artist and serious instructor, i know you can't learn of the internet, but seriously - what the **** is wrong asking questions and debating.
THIS IS AN INTERNET FORUM - right? So i guess i should be allowed to ask Kenpo relevant questions, which i have.
I guess i should be allowed to ask on the internet, which this is.
And if you don't like my questions - don't answar? Simple, right? Hard, yes...?
Im going to Viking Camp in sweden and ofcourse i will debate this with real life instructors and not just "keyboard warriors" - but you know, sometimes it good to hear what others have to say, and how others like to move.
Im out of this kenpo forum
Goodbye
Let's review kyoshi's response:
This must be a lineage thing because; I learned the tech the way I described. I'm not sure the throat is the best target on a static long arm attack though.Absolutely. However, that'll only happen if we change the technique. For the record, I'm not against making a change, if necessary. I was just commenting on the specific question that the OP asked.
But I do agree with your analogy.
Two of us suggested he should go about this a different way. We did not belittle him. We did not insult him.
The fact that two of us made that suggestion was enough to throw Kyoshi into an indignant rage wherein he managed triggered the profanity filters, threw out some sarcasm, and implied that everyone here is nothing but a keyboard warrrior. Then he left the forum, apparently for good.
This must be a lineage thing because; I learned the tech the way I described. I'm not sure the throat is the best target on a static long arm attack though.
Sean
Thanks for the any different answars.
What i was trying to do with my questions, what not to learn how to do them right, but to learn what you can do, how you can do it, and how YOU guys are doing it.
*sound of buzzer*
One of you actually questioned whether he had an instructor or not, which had nothing to do with his questions and was clearly asked to be insulting and condescending. Let's not pretend it was anything else.
Why not play games... you resist, he pulls you back and you stop your momentum on his throat.Personally, if I were to grab someone, in the fashion this tech. is designed for, my arm would probably not be locked out straight, but instead bent. I'm assuming the nature of the attack would be the following:
1) to escort someone out, ie: a club, bar, etc.
2) to push them forward.
3) to pull them backward.
4) to turn them into a punch.
IMO, depending on whats happening, that will determine what we should do. I do see the logic in giving some resistance, ie: they push you forward, you resist and push back, then suddenly change thus catching them off balance. However, why play games? I say, go with the motion, and adapt from there.
I think alot of the time, as I said earlier, people get too set in the way the techs. are described, and they feel that they have to do it that way. I disagree. The techs. IMO, are a simple example, to teach 1 possible solution. Its up to each student to think out of the box. Of course, if we notice, if we were to refer to "Big Red" for a moment, we see a basic explaination of what the nature of the attack is. Ex: Squeezing the Peach, rear bear hug, arms pinned. But thats it. But is that what the attack really is? If we were simply to go with that, then a newbie will assume its simply someone coming up behind you, grabbing you and thats it. But in more detail the description could be a bearhug, with the attacker pushing you forward, trying to take you down, etc. So, in the case of the tech. we're discussing now, all it says is a left flank shoulder grab. But really, who just grabs onto someone and stands there?
Why not play games... you resist, he pulls you back and you stop your momentum on his throat.
Sean
Thats an option.Why not just go with the initial force and get the same result? Ex: he pulls you back, you go with it and still stop your momentum on his throat.
*sound of buzzer*
One of you actually questioned whether he had an instructor or not, which had nothing to do with his questions and was clearly asked to be insulting and condescending. Let's not pretend it was anything else.
Whoa with the revisionism here. One doesn't insult someone and then get mad at them for being upset they got insulted. Kyoshi was insulted *first*, for nothing more than asking some legit questions. Note that I was not the only 'unsolicited mouthpiece' who noticed that one of the responses was clearly insulting. What's even more baffling is that some of the vets not only don't apologize, they defend their bad behavior, which hasn't been my experience here. For the most part, everyone here is good about recognizing if they stepped over the line.
But I suspect the higher in rank one gets, the harder it is to swallow that ego.
On the other hand, telling people to go ask their instructor every time they ask a question sort of defeats the whole purpose of sharing ideas on Martial Talk. And I have seen some less than respectfull posts at one time or another from at least one of the posters in question.Hold on here, so you are blaming everyone but kyoshi? First look closely at his post. He has only been studying Kenpo for a few months. He had a ton of questions, which were not really questions. His tone was... here is what I'm taught, but I want to do it this way. So with that many questions, and because he was new a legitmate question was asked...Do you have an instructor? You should ask him/her. That's a bad statement?
Secondly let's go back to the fact he has only studied Kenpo for a few months and is already knows how to do it better. Whatever happend to the instructor knows best (and don't give me a bunch of malarky about tailoring. That's fine when you are advanced. Not when you start out) Do you get to do this when you learn piano or english? No.
Third the moment he is aksed some question he gets to go off on a rant and stomp off to his room like he's 4? But it's everyone else's fault?
Finally Look at the body of Flying Cran and Doc's posts over the years. When have they been less than respectful? And know I don't know either one of them, although I met Doc at a seminar years ago.
Sheesh
That's only if the style you trained in doesn't deal with any of the basic principles of motion such as posture, balance, relaxation, speed, etc.... And realise that your 14 years may not actually amount to anything in this field.
Hold on here, so you are blaming everyone but kyoshi?
First look closely at his post. He has only been studying Kenpo for a few months. He had a ton of questions, which were not really questions. His tone was... here is what I'm taught, but I want to do it this way. So with that many questions, and because he was new a legitmate question was asked...Do you have an instructor? You should ask him/her. That's a bad statement?
Secondly let's go back to the fact he has only studied Kenpo for a few months and is already knows how to do it better.
Whatever happend to the instructor knows best (and don't give me a bunch of malarky about tailoring. That's fine when you are advanced. Not when you start out) Do you get to do this when you learn piano or english? No.
Third the moment he is aksed some question he gets to go off on a rant and stomp off to his room like he's 4? But it's everyone else's fault?
Finally Look at the body of Flying Cran and Doc's posts over the years. When have they been less than respectful? And know I don't know either one of them, although I met Doc at a seminar years ago.
Sheesh
My understanding of this tech is that you are walking along and someone runs up behind and grabs your shoulder to pull you in. The step you take forward is a step you were going to take anyway. Secondly, if you do step forward and it break the opponents posture, you win that game, and you are no longer doing Obscure Sword, but another idea.Why not just go with the initial force and get the same result? Ex: he pulls you back, you go with it and still stop your momentum on his throat.